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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Wed May 21, 2008 7:57 am

nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play. :)

What kind of tricks ?
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Wed May 21, 2008 8:07 am

bryguy wrote:1) The river annoys me right now as is, could u change it?
2) You can hardly tell the venaissin belings where it does, cause it doesnt even touch its territ
3) Same for Foix
4) And maybe Nice
5) And could u make Roussillon and Corse (or is it Gorse?) touch there territs?

What does bother you with rivers? Consider that I wanted the map to geographically correct so rivers are sometimes impassable borders and sometimes crossable by a bridge or being at the center of a territory. Then they should flow until sea and for me they are part of the graphical definition of the map as i removed any other background.

About the names touching the borders I'm really not sure about that, it will "blur" the borders. It's a pretty common way to put names on a map, putting then on the side of the object designated as I can not put them inside. And drawing a line or an arrow are absolutely contradictory with kind or graphic theme I'm trying to devellop.
But I'll keep in mind your remark and if they are other like this i'll try to find a solution.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby nagerous on Wed May 21, 2008 8:09 am

pamoa wrote:
nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play. :)

What kind of tricks ?


Well its up to you how it will affect gameplay but stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Wed May 21, 2008 11:00 am

nagerous wrote:
pamoa wrote:
nagerous wrote:... I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play. :)

What kind of tricks ?

Well its up to you how it will affect gameplay but stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.

I'll think about it
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby ZeakCytho on Wed May 21, 2008 8:06 pm

Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 am

ZeakCytho wrote:Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.


I agree. Just the capital starting as neutral is enough for this one.

Besides just looking at the latest bunch of 5 or 6 new maps to get quenched I realised that not even one of them has classic gameplay so we need some new maps to cater for this area as well.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Thu May 22, 2008 3:58 am

nagerous wrote:It would be nice to throw in more gimmicks, cairns style. At the moment the map doesn't seem that appealing to play, just because it is so similar to the current France map. If it's going to be set in the 1789. maybe add a few more tricks within the map, to make it more exciting and playable, as otherwise people will just stick to playing the classic France map.
I actually think it looks really good graphically etc. I'm just suggesting that there is the potential to hit a roadblock via the fact that the map has marked similarities to the other French map. I wasn't suggesting super complicated, I just thought a few more tricks could be sneaked in and it would make the map a more exciting prospect to play. :) stuff like one way attacks, links from area to area via a shipping line, bonuses for holding castles that kinda malarky.
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ZeakCytho wrote:Please don't put any tricks/gimicks into this map. It's great as it is now.

I agree. Just the capital starting as neutral is enough for this one. Besides just looking at the latest bunch of 5 or 6 new maps to get quenched I realised that not even one of them has classic gameplay so we need some new maps to cater for this area as well.

2 to 1 in the game tricks or not issue, I'll wait to see how it goes!
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu May 22, 2008 12:48 pm

pamoa wrote:2 to 1 in the game tricks or not issue, I'll wait to see how it goes!


I don't think it should boil down to that. These things are something a map maker decides and defines at the start when he is planning a map without making major changes in this department as the map develops.
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VACATION UNTIL JUNE 15

Postby pamoa on Fri May 23, 2008 12:14 pm

As map editor I will be on vacation until june 15 8-)
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5

Postby TaCktiX on Thu May 29, 2008 6:39 pm

Keep with the classic gameplay. A mere difference in impassables and a capital bonus are enough to gameplay-wise distinguish this map from the present France. As Ruben has said, we need to deliver some classic maps to the masses after our last glut of complex maps.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5

Postby gimil on Fri May 30, 2008 10:42 am

TaCktiX wrote:Keep with the classic gameplay. A mere difference in impassables and a capital bonus are enough to gameplay-wise distinguish this map from the present France. As Ruben has said, we need to deliver some classic maps to the masses after our last glut of complex maps.


No we dont, if people want classic maps they should come in and make them ;)

If we are here to produce to please the masses then we should be paid to do so :)
What do you know about map making, bitch?

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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5

Postby TaCktiX on Fri May 30, 2008 2:42 pm

Well considering that pamoa started this map as a classic gameplay one, I think the choice has already been made. Some people are trying to change that choice for petty reasons.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5

Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri May 30, 2008 4:46 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Well considering that pamoa started this map as a classic gameplay one, I think the choice has already been made. Some people are trying to change that choice for petty reasons.


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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] may22 p5

Postby pamoa on Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:08 am

Hi, I'm back on work.
I think that the more trick issue is closed as nobody argued anymore in that direction.
So I'll stick to the actual version of gameplay.
As soon as possible I'll release a new update but their is a lot of work waiting me here in office so it may take me a week.
I decided to change the paris bonus label as following:
Paris (*) Isle-de-France +1
Any other comments!
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 [I] june16 p5

Postby Ruben Cassar on Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:06 am

As I told you in earlier posts the colour scheme needs to change. It's too hard to differentiate between a region and another with only that thin border of colouring.

Check my previous posts regarding this issue. You should try to fill the region with colour perhaps?
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