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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby Merker on Sun May 03, 2009 12:50 am

Actually, it is Empress Victoria, the first ever empress of India. Although she did reign as Queen of the British Empire. I'm picky like that, :) .
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby oaktown on Sun May 03, 2009 11:08 am

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Here's a small map, just for kicks. 630 x 542 pixels.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby gimil on Sun May 03, 2009 11:10 am

Here is a graphics stamp, just for kicks to!

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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby LED ZEPPELINER on Sun May 03, 2009 12:40 pm

lol congrats oak. honestly i can't see any problems. I wanna play it right now
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby WidowMakers on Sun May 03, 2009 12:56 pm

Hey oak. How did you do the RR tracks?
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby porkenbeans on Sun May 03, 2009 1:10 pm

I agree with sam, I can NOT find anything to pick at.
You are in my opinion, CCs' best asset, when it comes to maps.
I like all of your maps, and this one looks to be one of your best.
You will always have a standing invitation to come work with us at "The Mapmakers Guild". ;)
To anyone out there that is in to organizing tournaments, I would suggest an Oaktown turny, with all the oaktown maps. :D
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby oaktown on Sun May 03, 2009 1:46 pm

porkenbeans wrote:I agree with sam, I can NOT find anything to pick at.
You are in my opinion, CCs' best asset, when it comes to maps.
I like all of your maps, and this one looks to be one of your best.
You will always have a standing invitation to come work with us at "The Mapmakers Guild". ;)
To anyone out there that is in to organizing tournaments, I would suggest an Oaktown turny, with all the oaktown maps. :D

Shh! Maybe I have it I mind to do this myself, but not just yet! :-$

WidowMakers wrote:Hey oak. How did you do the RR tracks?

Cairnswk gets credit for turning me on to a RR track brush... it's back in this thread somewhere. It opened my eyes to the "shape dynamics" option for brush tips.
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Re: British India - I'm back! page 4

Postby the.killing.44 on Sun May 03, 2009 1:55 pm

cairnswk wrote:oaktown
if you're using PS3, there is railway line brush available at
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/i ... id=1044414

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EDIT: holy shit i downloaded it and that's awesome!
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP) page 11

Postby barterer2002 on Sun May 03, 2009 2:37 pm

porkenbeans wrote:To anyone out there that is in to organizing tournaments, I would suggest an Oaktown turny, with all the oaktown maps. :D


Oh, that's a great idea. After this one is out of Beta though I think I'll work on it. Unless someone beats me to it.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby whitestazn88 on Sun May 03, 2009 3:36 pm

here for the final map review oaky.

i've been a big fan of this since day one, so i don't really have much to say, other than i'm happy with the final product and it took a little longer than i thought it would to get to this stage. the graphics are beautiful in my opinion, as well as clever and original.

the one concern i have is the territory "ahmed." if it stands for something, is it going to be put somewhere on the map? and in terms of attacking and deployment, is it going to be named "ahmed" or is the longer name going to be used (for example, in the british isles 2 map, the territ labeled oxon is actually oxsfordshire or something like that, and thats the name you have to choose when you attack). i'm just afraid that if the name is lengthened in the attack/reinforce phase, that people might get confused if its not marked on the map that "ahmed." stands for something longer
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Sun May 03, 2009 4:37 pm

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Small map with 3-digit coordinates, in case anybody was concerned. XML seems to check out.

Whitestazn: I had forgotten all about the abbreviated territory until I started the code this afternoon. The full territory name is Ahmedabad, which I think will be alright. I image users willbe able to cue off the first five letters which are on the map, and there is no other territory similar. In fact, the only two other territories that even begin with the letter "A" are all the way across the map. Hope this works for everybody.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby the.killing.44 on Sun May 03, 2009 4:48 pm

Is "Afghanistan" purposely "Afganistan" (minus the h)?
there are a couple issues with the 888 but i'll get to 'em in FF ;)

I got nothing here. Incredible =D>
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Sun May 03, 2009 4:59 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:Is "Afghanistan" purposely "Afganistan" (minus the h)?

Um, would you believe me if I said that yes, it is on purpose?

I was using old spellings of some regions, but I think that one is just a mistake. Easy fix.

And because some people like this kind of thing...

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Indian Empire</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>542</smallheight>
   <largewidth>840</largewidth>
   <largeheight>723</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

   <continent>
      <name>Northern Frontier</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Kafiristan</territory>
         <territory>Cashmere</territory>
         <territory>Punjab</territory>
         <territory>Multan</territory>
         <territory>Sirhind</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Bengal Presidency</name>
      <bonus>8</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Garhwal</territory>
         <territory>Delhi</territory>   
         <territory>Rajpootana</territory>
         <territory>Malwa</territory>
         <territory>Oude</territory>
         <territory>Doab</territory>
         <territory>Behar</territory>
         <territory>Calcutta</territory>
         <territory>Bengal</territory>
         <territory>Assam</territory>
         <territory>Sikkim</territory>
         </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Bombay Presidency</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Sindh</territory>
         <territory>Cutch</territory>
         <territory>Kathiawar</territory>
         <territory>Ahmedabad</territory>
         <territory>Konkan</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Central Provinces</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Central Indian Agency</territory>
         <territory>Nagpur</territory>
         <territory>Bustar</territory>
         <territory>Raipur</territory>
         <territory>Orissa</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Madras Presidency</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Kandeish</territory>
         <territory>Bejapoor</territory>
         <territory>Hyderabad</territory>
         <territory>Mysore</territory>
         <territory>Carnatic</territory>
         <territory>Malabar Coast</territory>
         <territory>Ceylon</territory>
         <territory>Coromandel Coast</territory>
         <territory>Circars</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>
   
   <continent>
      <name>Farther India</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Upper Burma</territory>
         <territory>Shan States</territory>
         <territory>Mandalay</territory>
         <territory>Arracan</territory>
         <territory>Pegu</territory>
         <territory>Tenasserim</territory>
         <territory>Andaman Islands</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>
   
   <continent>
      <name>Madras - Bombay Railway</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Coromandel Coast</territory>
         <territory>Mysore</territory>
         <territory>Bejapoor</territory>
         <territory>Konkan</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>
   
   <continent>
      <name>Bombay - Calcutta Railway</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Konkan</territory>
         <territory>Kandeish</territory>
         <territory>Nagpur</territory>
         <territory>Central Indian Agency</territory>
         <territory>Behar</territory>
         <territory>Calcutta</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Delhi - Calcutta Railway</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Delhi</territory>
         <territory>Doab</territory>
         <territory>Behar</territory>
         <territory>Calcutta</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>


   <territory>
      <name>Kafiristan</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Cashmere</border>
         <border>Punjab</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>172</smallx>
         <smally>69</smally>
         <largex>230</largex>
         <largey>85</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Cashmere</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kafiristan</border>
         <border>Punjab</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>233</smallx>
         <smally>98</smally>
         <largex>311</largex>
         <largey>122</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Punjab</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kafiristan</border>
         <border>Cashmere</border>
         <border>Sirhind</border>
         <border>Multan</border>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
         <border>Garhwal</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>139</smallx>
         <smally>138</smally>
         <largex>187</largex>
         <largey>177</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Multan</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Sindh</border>
         <border>Punjab</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>97</smallx>
         <smally>171</smally>
         <largex>130</largex>
         <largey>221</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Sirhind</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Punjab</border>
         <border>Garhwal</border>
         <border>Delhi</border>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>175</smallx>
         <smally>142</smally>
         <largex>235</largex>
         <largey>182</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   
   <territory>
      <name>Garhwal</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Punjab</border>
         <border>Delhi</border>
         <border>Oude</border>
         <border>Sirhind</border>            
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>247</smallx>
         <smally>139</smally>
         <largex>330</largex>
         <largey>178</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   
   <territory>
      <name>Delhi</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Garhwal</border>
         <border>Sirhind</border>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
         <border>Oude</border>
         <border>Doab</border>            
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>208</smallx>
         <smally>161</smally>
         <largex>278</largex>
         <largey>207</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Rajpootana</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Delhi</border>
         <border>Doab</border>
         <border>Malwa</border>
         <border>Sindh</border>
         <border>Punjab</border>
         <border>Sirhind</border>
         <border>Ahmedabad</border>            
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>157</smallx>
         <smally>219</smally>
         <largex>210</largex>
         <largey>284</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Malwa</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
         <border>Doab</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>229</smallx>
         <smally>251</smally>
         <largex>307</largex>
         <largey>327</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Doab</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Delhi</border>
         <border>Malwa</border>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
         <border>Oude</border>
         <border>Behar</border>
         <border>Central Indian Agency</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>262</smallx>
         <smally>217</smally>
         <largex>350</largex>
         <largey>282</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Oude</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Garhwal</border>
         <border>Delhi</border>
         <border>Doab</border>
         <border>Behar</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>282</smallx>
         <smally>172</smally>
         <largex>377</largex>
         <largey>222</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Behar</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Oude</border>
         <border>Doab</border>
         <border>Sikkim</border>
         <border>Bengal</border>
         <border>Assam</border>
         <border>Calcutta</border>
         <border>Central Indian Agency</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>379</smallx>
         <smally>211</smally>
         <largex>507</largex>
         <largey>274</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Sikkim</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Behar</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>404</smallx>
         <smally>180</smally>
         <largex>539</largex>
         <largey>233</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
      
   <territory>
      <name>Calcutta</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Arracan</border>
         <border>Behar</border>
         <border>Central Indian Agency</border>
         <border>Orissa</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>376</smallx>
         <smally>273</smally>
         <largex>502</largex>
         <largey>357</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>   

   <territory>
      <name>Bengal</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Assam</border>
         <border>Upper Burma</border>
         <border>Arracan</border>
         <border>Behar</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>448</smallx>
         <smally>242</smally>
         <largex>599</largex>
         <largey>315</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>   

   <territory>
      <name>Assam</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Behar</border>
         <border>Bengal</border>
         <border>Upper Burma</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>469</smallx>
         <smally>203</smally>
         <largex>626</largex>
         <largey>264</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>   

   <territory>
      <name>Sindh</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Multan</border>
         <border>Rajpootana</border>
         <border>Cutch</border>         
      </borders>
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby alexandrois on Mon May 04, 2009 1:51 am

this map is amazing, the only fault i've managed to find with it is, why isn't there some sea rout across the bay of bengal, without one it will take a long time to get from one side to the other
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby barterer2002 on Mon May 04, 2009 1:28 pm

Oak, I've been thinking about this one for a day now. Most of my concerns have already been discussed but the big one that just bugs me is the ability to fortify 4 terts and get both a continent and a railroad (Madras Presidency and Madras-Bombay). As I think about it, I'm led to a previous discussion about the bonuses of Calcutta-Delhi and I'm less and less convinced that the railroads are a positive on this map-at least from a gameplay perspective. Essentially what we've got is 3 railroad bonuses-2 of which will essentially add to a continent bonus and do little else.

I understand that mapmakers really like to have unique gameplay in their maps as it makes it interesting for them but I also understand that there are large numbers of players who prefer to have just standard maps without any gimmicky gameplay. Obviously I'm coming in late to this discussion but I'd like to go on record as questioning whether the railroads add anything positive to the playability of the map-other than just as a gimmick. I'd personally like to see the map without railroad bonuses (they clearly can stay graphically speaking) but I understand if you want to keep them in.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Mon May 04, 2009 5:43 pm

barterer2002 wrote:Oak, I've been thinking about this one for a day now. Most of my concerns have already been discussed but the big one that just bugs me is the ability to fortify 4 terts and get both a continent and a railroad (Madras Presidency and Madras-Bombay). As I think about it, I'm led to a previous discussion about the bonuses of Calcutta-Delhi and I'm less and less convinced that the railroads are a positive on this map-at least from a gameplay perspective. Essentially what we've got is 3 railroad bonuses-2 of which will essentially add to a continent bonus and do little else.

Your concern is not lost on me, barterer. Personally I think the railroads are a fun little twist to gameplay that don't require somebody to spend too much time working them out. So while I'd like to keep them, I think it's worth looking at each railroad line individually to see what their impact will be on the play of the map.

Calcutta - Delhi has been the center of much discussion in this thread. The idea behind its presence in the middle of a region is to create some incentive for activity in what could otherwise be a wasteland in the center of the map. Without the railroad Bengal is this map's Asia: you shuffle some armies around to help secure the small regions on the periphery, but the action is elswhere. It's my favorite railroad on the map, and I think it lends a lot to play.

Bombay-Calcutta will be absolutely nasty to hold, but I can see situations arise where a player scores a good start in the Central Provinces and expands along the railroads. It could be a powerful forces in some games, completly ignored in others.

It's the Bombay - Madras route that you are concerned about, and for good reason. The idea behind that railroad was, like the northern track, to create another viable start for somebody, in this case somebody who starts in the south. Fo this reason I think that it is good that it exists, but perhaps the bonus is too generous.

Coupling the Madras bonus with the railroad does create a significant bonus. Taking Konkan already makes Madras easier to hold by eliminating one border, making it a ten territory, four border +5 (ignoring the railroad bonus of now); without Konkan its a nine terit, five border +5. Neither configuration is a very generous bonus from a classic perspective - compare it to North America's +5 for holding nine territories and just three borders. And it's right next to a five territory region that is going to pick up +4, and another that is looking at +3, so it's going to get hammered from somebody early.

With the railroad there, of course, we have to reconsider the region, which now brings in +7 altogether. Madras has a four territory region - the smallest on the map - that acts as a stepping stone to controlling the rest of the region. Is it now too strong? Maybe... I'd be curious to see what others have to say.

If it is there are options we can take that don't involve scrapping the entire rail system: we can adjust either bonus, add a sea route into Coromandel Coast from Calcutta (which would be interesting and add a border to Madras), or redraw some borders. I'm open to discussing any option. Or maybe folks think it's fine as-is. ??
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby tlane on Mon May 04, 2009 6:29 pm

Hey Oak, this map looks great!
can't really see anything wrong with it, looks very final forge ready.
If you want a nit-pic the only thing I can think of is the border between Pegu and Tenasserim. There is some fat dot or something on the border, you could get rid of that if you want.

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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby LED ZEPPELINER on Mon May 04, 2009 7:04 pm

tlane wrote:Hey Oak, this map looks great!
can't really see anything wrong with it, looks very final forge ready.
If you want a nit-pic the only thing I can think of is the border between Pegu and Tenasserim. There is some fat dot or something on the border, you could get rid of that if you want.

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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby Hatchman on Tue May 05, 2009 6:08 am

Beautiful work as usual Oaktown. Can't wait to play this map. And if I've already posted to this effect, I don't care. :D
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Tue May 05, 2009 8:36 am

I am considering reducing the southern rail bonus to a +1 to account for the inflated value of that railroad plus the Madras region. Any objections?
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby barterer2002 on Tue May 05, 2009 3:06 pm

The British fort at Madras was there from (I think) the seventeenth century or so and was well expanded by the time period of this map. I'm interested in your idea of a sea line from Madras over to Calcutta. Doing this would bring you back up to 5 terts that you have to hold to get the bonuses without making this particular railroad a 1 which almost makes it worthless except as part of the continent bonus. If you want to stay with the idea of having the railroads worth something from a starting and game play idea then it needs to stay at +2 IMO.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Tue May 05, 2009 3:10 pm

barterer2002 wrote:The British fort at Madras was there from (I think) the seventeenth century or so and was well expanded by the time period of this map. I'm interested in your idea of a sea line from Madras over to Calcutta. Doing this would bring you back up to 5 terts that you have to hold to get the bonuses without making this particular railroad a 1 which almost makes it worthless except as part of the continent bonus. If you want to stay with the idea of having the railroads worth something from a starting and game play idea then it needs to stay at +2 IMO.

I would tend to agree, but since changing the bonus was the easiest solution in terms of what it does to the rest of the board I thought I'd float that one first. Calcutta is already a border territory so it wouldn't have much impact there. It would mean that the extreme eastern side of the map is only one terriory away from the southern continent, which could be a good or bad thing.
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Re: Indian Empire (D, GP, GX) page 11

Postby oaktown on Tue May 05, 2009 9:29 pm

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Gameplay change: added an attack route from Coromandel Coast up to Calcutta. Madras region now has an additional border to defend, and somebody from way across the Bay can bounce through Calcutta and whack Madras (or vice-versa!).

Graphics: fixed afghanistan, lighten the blob in pegu.

NOTE: I have NOT done the little bending at the page crease in this version - it's not hard to do, but a waste of time if we're still messing with the gameplay.
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Re: Indian Empire; gameplay tweak page 13

Postby a.sub on Tue May 05, 2009 11:32 pm

ur utter stunning amazingness ceases to amaze me,
not just the recent update but the map as a whole
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Re: Indian Empire; gameplay tweak page 13

Postby oaktown on Wed May 06, 2009 12:50 am

a.sub wrote:ur utter stunning amazingness ceases to amaze me

that starts as a compliment, but then sours... I think that you mean that my amazingness NEVER ceases to amaze you.

Come on a.sub, I expect more from a fellow east bay CCer. ;)
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