[Official] Brazil REVAMP [Quenched]

[jiminski]

sorry guys.

Marv gets the last word here. As much as it doesn't bother me either, it bothers him. I'll try to make sure I don't loose the feel though - with the map being true north. I just have a feeling there's going to be a lot of dead space.... but we'll see.

this is not what was voted on... sure the artists are important, nay vital!! and their mutual appreciation and deference is impressive. .. but this exercise in artistic ego ignores entirely what those who voted desire... i am completely disillusioned with the revamp process, which appears to be counter to normal foundry process. i will not be participating in another.

[jako]

a large majority of voters voted on A because the way brazil looked in ur map was appeasing to the eye and that was due in large part to the tilt. if what people voted on is changed now, then isnt the voting process altogether useless and misleading?

[pamoa]

About the tilt

Although Marvaddin point of view is important and have to be respected there is a couple of valid arguments against it.

...with the map being true north. I just have a feeling there's going to be a lot of dead space...

Part of why I chose A was because of the tilt...

In effect pointing the map true north would leave 4 "empty" angles.
I think it is the way you managed to fill up the space by tiliting it, that is part of the success of your map.
And I read more than once in the foundry that dead spaces is a kind of a problem for some people.
So despite I tend to think like you Marvaddin, I would say that the tilt is an important part of this map and so should remain.
Can you consider conceading this to the community ?



Now about the graphics

Maybe you can try the background image a bit lighter.
You can also try to put the begining of the border of the surrounding countries with the thin yellow line you had before.
And use the previous double line to suggest the atlantic ocean.

You have to get rid of this double bonus explanation you have ( minimap & legend ).
I would say remove the list and put the name either in the minimap or around the main one.

And last point the border, like said before it's a bit odd.
I would say done a bit in hurry due to competition deadline.
But you should keep the colors.

[Mjinga]

I see Marvaddin's point.



As a resident of the United States, that looks quite odd to me. Perhaps we just don't think Brazil looks weird tilted because we don't live there and don't see the map due North all the time.

Back to my harping point... about the names, Marv! While you're thinking about territ names, can I bring up the continent names? In particular, I do not like Mato Grosso as a continent name, because it includes both Mato Grosso Do Sul and Mato Grosso in the area and also cos it's the only continent named after an actual state. I called it the Central West in my version, with the Central Axis being renamed the Central East. Is there any way that it could be renamed in a similar fashion?

[AndyDufresne]

Consider it from this counter perspective:

You are viewing a globe with roughly the correct natural tilt of the Earth (Earth's axis is tilted some 23.5 degrees from the perpendicular to the Earth–Sun plane):

Click image to enlarge.

Edit: Indeed it is tilted the other way...but still the point stands. People are use to looking at things from a tilted perspective.

Additionally, hundreds of people voted for it.


--Andy

[pepperonibread]

Actually... RJ's map is tilted the other way. So it's really even wronger than a standard north-up map
Still love the tilt though.

[whitestazn88]

wronger is not a word lol, and i mean, i understand that everyone is upset about the tilt thing, but hey, marv gets the last word

[pepperonibread]

wronger is not a word lol, and i mean, i understand that everyone is upset about the tilt thing, but hey, marv gets the last word

lol, I didn't think it was a word either, but Firefox said it wasn't misspelled, and look here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wronger.

[Marvaddin]

Afffff, talking about the tilt is getting boring. Im not really considering to approve it, because:

As a resident of the United States, that looks quite odd to me. Perhaps we just don't think Brazil looks weird tilted because we don't live there and don't see the map due North all the time.

^^ This is what Im saying: I dont feel that I should let it looking weird to us Brazilians, just because some foreign people think its more beautiful with a tilt. Guys, its our country, I cant think that we should have it tilted because you look at the map and see an empty angle. Its more important than a simple good visual sensation. I could tolerate it if it was necessary due to maximum size restrictions, but as it isnt, well... you know.

About the revamp process, well, Im sorry if some think its frustating, but there was clear we would not quench the voted map, it would still be modified in the normal foundry process. And I have posted I would place veto to the tilt in the first comment about all the entries in 1st stage, so if it was in 2nd stage and people voted to it, well, not my fault, I suppose. If you really like the idea, you can ask for a new poll, to choose between rj map without a tilt and the other 2 entries, but Im very happy with the map and the cartographer, and I think it will be even better without the tilt, lets wait and give it a chance.

Empty angles? Well, if they come, its something I wont complain about, because I still feel the lack of the glorious Brazilian flag

Other comments:
- In fact, I like the map borders.

You have to get rid of this double bonus explanation you have ( minimap & legend ).
I would say remove the list and put the name either in the minimap or around the main one.

^^ This is something I agree.

Back to my harping point... about the names, Marv! While you're thinking about territ names, can I bring up the continent names? In particular, I do not like Mato Grosso as a continent name, because it includes both Mato Grosso Do Sul and Mato Grosso in the area and also cos it's the only continent named after an actual state. I called it the Central West in my version, with the Central Axis being renamed the Central East. Is there any way that it could be renamed in a similar fashion?

Oh, well... previously, in the 60's, if Im correct, Mato Grosso and Mato Grosso do Sul were a single state called Mato Grosso, so the name is historically accurate. There is a Central West area in Brazil standard division, but it should include the territories of Goias and Brasilia, so I think that the Mato Grosso name is the better one. About Central Axis, lol, its a fictional area. There is no similar area in Brazil maps. I have called it Central Axis because the area is the most important in terms of economy, population, etc, but I was never happy with this name. Central East would be fine... but Im still open to suggestions, if someone can help me. How should we name the area with most populated and economically important states? Suggestions?

[AndyDufresne]

I usually am in agreement with Marv about most things, but not the tilt. I wouldn't mind seeing a poll, if the results of the poll were actually used, and not just taken into consideration.


--Andy

[cairnswk]

wronger is not a word lol, and i mean, i understand that everyone is upset about the tilt thing, but hey, marv gets the last word

lol, I didn't think it was a word either, but Firefox said it wasn't misspelled, and look here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wronger.

oh dear...the children have been playing again

[wcaclimbing]

I usually am in agreement with Marv about most things, but not the tilt. I wouldn't mind seeing a poll, if the results of the poll were actually used, and not just taken into consideration.


--Andy

The problem with a poll is you would have 100 Americans and Europeans voting for the tilt, and 10 brazilians voting against it (just random numbers I chose, btw).


and after all, this does look a bit strange:


I support no-tilt. You guys wouldn't like if someone tried to tilt a USA map, so why should Brazilians allow tilting of their own map? yeah, it might look a bit better to us "foreigners", but to anyone from Brazil I bet it just looks strange, like the tilted US map looks strange to us.

[ZeakCytho]

I'm also against the tilt, for the reason laid out by Marv and supported more eloquently that I could by Mjinga and wca.

[pamoa]

... can I bring up the continent names? In particular, I do not like Mato Grosso ... I called it the Central West in my version, with the Central Axis being renamed the Central East...

... I think that the Mato Grosso name is the better one. About Central Axis... Central East would be fine... How should we name the area with most populated and economically important states...

My suggestion is the following, simple, geographical and clear:

Northwest
North ( Central North )
Northeast
West ( Mato Grosso )
Central ( Central Axis )
South

[jako]

I usually am in agreement with Marv about most things, but not the tilt. I wouldn't mind seeing a poll, if the results of the poll were actually used, and not just taken into consideration.


--Andy

The problem with a poll is you would have 100 Americans and Europeans voting for the tilt, and 10 brazilians voting against it (just random numbers I chose, btw).


and after all, this does look a bit strange:


I support no-tilt. You guys wouldn't like if someone tried to tilt a USA map, so why should Brazilians allow tilting of their own map? yeah, it might look a bit better to us "foreigners", but to anyone from Brazil I bet it just looks strange, like the tilted US map looks strange to us.

it doesnt look that bad. but im not american so i dont really care that much, but i still support the tilt.