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Postby sully800 on Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:11 pm

But the Japanese attacking Hawaii deal has more history. I think thats what N0g was referring to.
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Postby P Gizzle on Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:12 pm

oh, i was talking about history
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Postby sully800 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:00 pm

You said where the islands of Hawaii cam from. But in this map (and the game in generally) countries don't spawn each other. Instead you attack from one to another. That's why I think Japan attacking Hawaii makes a bit of sense.
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Postby P Gizzle on Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:05 pm

Well, i just thought historically it would be better, but that's ok.
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Postby zim on Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:49 pm

As always thanks for the comments and suggestions.

After taking a look at CCU which has a no continent center I'm persuaded that including Antarctica as a bridge amonst the continents is a good solution so I've added it in. I've made it four territories one for each of the four major territory claimants though France, New Zealand and Chile also claim territory and the British and Argentine territories overlap (as do Chile/Argentina). So not 100% accurate (not that the rest is either) but I think a reasonable approach.


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I'm still thinking about Marvaddin's suggestion of the two tier bonus system. Conceptually I think it has merit and I agree with Scorba that if we go this route it would be interesting to have a few countries that are in multiple continents or regions (Turkey, European Russia maybe even Egypt as part of a Middle East region?). I think that if we implement the regions approach then I wouldn't look to add impassable borders (though I understand the desire for more bottlenecks.)

Current to do list looks like:
Split Asian Russia into 3 or 4 provinces.
Split Australia into 3 or 4 provinces (total).
Take an initial stab at creating sub-bonus regions:
1. Canada
2. United States
3. Australia
4. Russia
I think those are pretty straightforward. After that though thinks are murkier. Do we do something in Europe; maybe the original EU countries and/or Nordic states and/or ex-Warsaw pact/NATO countries? Africa needs the sub-bonus concept the most but how to split it? What does the forum think of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Africa-regions.png

Finally I think a Middle East sub-bonus region fits the map well but should we include Egypt or not?

Anyway I think those are the main issues. Probably won't be able to revise things until early next week as I've got a busy weekend. Thanks again for the input.

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Postby gavin_sidhu on Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:15 pm

I think what you want to do is not get the map to look like the classic one. Splitting Australia in half and now your suggesting ur going to split asian russia is doing exactly that, making this map look more classic. Have you thought about my other suggestion, adding maldives as a link between Sri Lanka, Australia and Africa?
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norwegian claim

Postby coup on Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:43 pm

you've misspelled norwegian. And if you want to know, the norwegian claim is actually called "Dronning Mauds Land" or in English "Queen Maud's Land". Nice little trivia for you there ;)
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Postby coup on Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:45 pm

ooh, and since i'm on the scandinavian topic, you probably should have Denmark in there as well. The country is larger than a few others you put in there, and in population as well... just my 2 cents
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Postby onbekende on Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:22 am

Looks great so far, if more people want a third link, maybe the Galapagos islands (spelled ofcourse different) between Ecuador and Papua New Guinea.

I don't thing Denmark needs to be added, it is already to crowded in the North of Europe (that's why it was kicked in the first place)

Maybe an islamic subcontinent? Then you get Egypt in it.

Australia is fine!
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Postby Scorba on Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:19 am

Great to hear your considering the sub-bonus regions. My enthusiam for the map has increased a hundred fold.

With Europe, I'd recommend a three way split, with Scandinavia, Western (Italy, Germany and everything west) & Eastern (everything else).

Asia - from a strategic point of view it makes little difference whether Egypt is included in the Middle East, but it is a big political player in the region so it makes sense from that perspective. Other Asian regions could include The Orient (or South Eastern Asia) & the Indian Sub-Continent. With the Asian Russia split, it would be good to split it so that at least one territory is not a border.

North America - perhaps Central America including Cuba & the Carribean? It might be an idea to have Canada & the US combined into a single region. The US would be unholdable without first having Canada anyway, and Canada as a two country region would be too easy to take..

South America - I think Brazil needs to be split up and form another region. It currently dominates the continent, attacking nearly every other country and Africa as well. It can also hit NA in two moves. It's probably the most powerful country on the map as it stands, and certainly will be once Russia is further divided. If you decided to go down this route, I'm sure Marv could help with naming the territories.

Oceania - Perhaps include New Zealand and New Caledonia in with the Aus region? The other islands could form another region, though no idea what you'd call it.

Africa - I haven't got any ideas here. The Wikipedia page you posted looks like a good start though.


I also agree with the earlier poster that the straight dividing lines on Aus, Russia and Canada look ugly and somewhat out of place. Could you make them more like the US division?
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Postby Marvaddin on Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:54 am

Well, even in real life, Brazil dominates South America, so... :lol: Joking, Im up to split it.

Errrr, lets talk about the map. This is one simple (and non artistical) suggestion about the minor continents:

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Canada and USA in same continent would be strange, since they are very important and large countries. I would like each one in one own continent, but it seems difficult. So, maybe the place for an Asia of the real classic map :)

About Europe, I first thought about 3 divisions, but this one looks like better. I think we can remove Italy - Tunisia route. Also, the Eastern part has many borders, but Western would look strange without Austria. Maybe rename Austria to Hungary could be better. We also can think about change Russia to a whole Russia continent.

Africa: the main problem is the red region, a bit crowded. removing some countries there (like Cote Divoire, lol, Tunisia and Senegal) will correct the problem. Also, maybe we can remove Lybia - Sudan border.

Asia: by the way, Middle East will need remain as a little continent. What we can do is merge China and India continents, or China and Pakistan (even better), but I dont know if its a good idea. Maybe we can also split China. I think we can easily remove Malaysia, Taiwan and Nepal (unless we merge China and India). Before think again about Asia, we need see how will Russia be splitted. Hmmm, arent Indonesia and Philippines part of Asia in real life? Will these count really to Oceania in the map?

South America and Oceania are easier, we can do almost all. I believe South America fits well divided in 2, we can call one Amazon (or Amazonia) and the another one Mercosur.

Hey, can you please post a map without circles and bonuses next time? Its better for me to suggest something...
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Postby zim on Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:30 pm

Marvaddin,

Haven't had a chance to think through your suggestions but saw your request for a dotless map and since my illustrator file has them on a seperate layer it was an easy one to fulfill.

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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:35 pm

My interest in this map is also increasing tenfold. The progress thus far is quite amazing, and I like the way it is heading. This could be a quite large and unique map, unlike many we have out there. I'll look for more about the two tier bonus system, along with the splitting of continents later. I'm glad you took my suggestion of a 'neutral' Antarctica. Looking good thus far, hopefully I'll be back later to comment.


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Postby sully800 on Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:50 pm

I still think you need to adjust the colors of the countries so they are more uniform within the continents. but I guess that would need to change again if you add sub continents so you'll have to wait and see how to break that up.
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Postby Evil Pope on Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:54 pm

sully800 wrote:I still think you need to adjust the colors of the countries so they are more uniform within the continents. but I guess that would need to change again if you add sub continents so you'll have to wait and see how to break that up.

Maybe the colors of the countries could be more uniform in the parts that are sub continents.. For example, if you were to separate US and canada, and mexico and guatemala(and the rest).. The US and canada could be one of the shades(maybe the darker blue) and then Mexico and guatemala(and the rest) could be another shade being used in north america, like the pinkish color.. That way they continents are more uniform, but you can differentiate between the subcontinents..
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