Austerlitz Map [Quenched]

[grayhawke]

I don't know that much about the battle but from what I have read the Pratzen Heights seemed to be an essential part to the final victory, so I think you should add holding Pratzen to the victory condition.
~ Mr. walrus

I agree as the Pratzen Plateau was certainly crucial to victory. Also adding the village to the victory condition makes it 18 territs out of 35, a proportion that appeals to my sense of fairness.

I also think the map does not need any more colours or textures. Its beauty is in its simplicity, a simplicity which pamoa wields so well and which is in itself a telltale sign of pamoa's maps.

[MrBenn]

Welcome to the Foundry Proper!

Onward and upwards

[sailorseal]

Welcome to the Foundry Proper!

Onward and upwards

Congratulations and welcome!

[pamoa]

I don't know that much about the battle but from what I have read the Pratzen Heights seemed to be an essential part to the final victory, so I think you should add holding Pratzen to the victory condition.

I agree as the Pratzen Plateau was certainly crucial to victory. Also adding the village to the victory condition makes it 18 territs out of 35, a proportion that appeals to my sense of fairness.

I agree, Pratzen will be in victory conditions in next version

good idea for a map, but it just seems too plain, one coloured and boring...try adding more colour and your own texture to make it your own map, Your original idea

I disagree about this map being boring, it is one of the best maps in production...

I also think the map does not need any more colours or textures. Its beauty is in its simplicity, a simplicity which pamoa wields so well and which is in itself a tell-tale sign of pamoa's maps.

rjz115dude maybe you can first try to make some map yourself before saying such huge stupid thing like I want another map... btw did you see anyone who make a map like this one ?!? and thanks guys for the support

What's the story with the light and dark red? you definitely need some colour in the legend to make the map look less confusing.

I still think north/south flanks are less confusing than allied/french-right/left flanks. I'm also not entirely convinced that the division-braces are the best visual device. Perhaps use 2 shades of blue, green and red to differentiate the centre from the flanks? or use a background colour to the text for names of the central territs?

I did try to differentiate flank with a different shade of colour as grayhawke suggested but I also didn't find them very convincing
and sorry but colour in the legend is not needed to understand the map if you can read blue green and red I'm sure you can understand they are colour on the map
besides I try to avoid funky legend they are unreadable but thanks for your concern

[grayhawke]

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What's the story with the light and dark red? you definitely need some colour in the legend to make the map look less confusing.

I still think north/south flanks are less confusing than allied/french-right/left flanks. I'm also not entirely convinced that the division-braces are the best visual device. Perhaps use 2 shades of blue, green and red to differentiate the centre from the flanks? or use a background colour to the text for names of the central territs?

I did try to differentiate flank with a different shade of colour as grayhawke suggested but I also didn't find them very convincing ...

Yes, my suggestion didn't really work.
Would it help if the text on the division-braces ran from top to bottom? I think it might then be more easily understood without the need for rotating the map itself.

[gho]

Maybe instead of colouring the whole map you could add little red, green and blue squares next to the text, or colour just the words 'blue', 'green', and 'red'.

[pamoa]

v04 new features: pratzen in victory conditions, colour dots in legend
This is the small map 600x630 pixels

Click image to enlarge.

[iancanton]

two spelling mistakes: in the legend, we have center, while the map uses centre; in the map, lichtenstein ought to be liechtenstein.

http://www.histwar.fr/recits-historique ... rlitz.html

ian.

[pamoa]

oops you're right corrected

[iancanton]

that's better! this map is proving to be educational, in more ways than one!

the bonuses for the generals and villages are a bit small. increase them to +2 autodeploy for napoleon and +2 (or even +3) for alexandre & liechtenstein to provide an incentive to attack the neutrals.

holding the villages will be difficult. they can be attacked by so many divisions that the bonus needs to be at least +3, otherwise the village bonus will be ignored most of the time in games of more than 2 players, when it's normally better to keep ur troops together.

in fact, the cavalry attacks are causing every bonusto be too low just now (except the french right flank, which cannot be attacked by any distant cavalry), meaning that the best strategy in 1v1 is simply to attack the enemy and ignore the bonuses most of the time!

code both of the 3-region bonus zones (villages and french left flank) as start positions, so that players cannot start with these bonuses in 2-player and 3-player games.

ian.

[pamoa]

I recalculated the bonuses for villages with the oaktown standard sheet

STANDARD
+1 napoléon
+2 french left
+9 french centre
+3 french right

+2 alexander & liechtenstein
+3 allied right
+5 allied centre
+3 allied left

+3 villages

I agree with you bonus would be very hard to hold, is below what you suggested

REINFORCED
+2 napoléon
+3 french left
+13 french centre
+4 french right

+3 alexander & liechtenstein
+4 allied right
+6 allied centre
+4 allied left

+4 villages

code both of the 3-region bonus zones (villages and french left flank) as start positions, so that players cannot start with these bonuses in 2-player and 3-player games.

I'll do that

...this map is proving to be educational, in more ways than one!

I appreciate you like the complex but compact gameplay I'm proposing

[sailorseal]

I would like to see the legend color coded for ease of use. This map looks like it will become another complicated map, like Waterloo, that will be very popular. I would take the brightness down on the colors of each symbol just to stick with the overall feel of the map. I also see assault routes that go no where and they confuse me!
I like the map!

[iancanton]

I agree with you bonus would be very hard to hold, is below what you suggested

REINFORCED
+2 napoléon
+3 french left
+13 french centre
+4 french right

i was happy with all of ur REINFORCED bonuses before u edited the french centre to +13! this is because the french centre bonus zone includes napoléon, so the total bonus for holding it is +13 normal with additional +2 autodeploy, which is a bit too much because this will surely result in victory, making a win by objective extremely unlikely. +9 or +10 normal with additional +2 autodeploy will still give a small chance to the other player.

except for this, the gameplay stamp is close. i know that the french centre is extremely difficult to defend, but i don't see a way of correcting this without moving several divisions out of position or changing the road layout; besides, the enemy forces in a battle are supposed to be mixed in next to each other (just like on our map), otherwise it wouldn't be a battle!

ian.

[pamoa]

what about french centre at +9 better for graphical reasons

REINFORCED
+2 napoléon
+3 french left
+9 french centre
+4 french right

+3 alexander & liechtenstein
+4 allied right
+6 allied centre
+4 allied left

+4 villages

code both of the 3-region bonus zones (villages and french left flank) as start positions, so that players cannot start with these bonuses in 2-player and 3-player games.

here is my proposition, I coded 4 position in each "sector" I added D'HAutpoul and Von Essen to the two upper ones

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<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Suchet</territory>
      <territory>Walther</territory>
      <territory>Margaron</territory>
      <territory>Engelhardt</territory>
      <territory>Kologrivov</territory>
      <territory>Prebyshevsky</territory>
   </position>

   <position>
      <territory>Kellerman</territory>
      <territory>Nansouty</territory>
      <territory>Legrand</territory>
      <territory>Voropaitski</territory>
      <territory>Maliutin</territory>
      <territory>Langeron</territory>
   </position>

   <position>
      <territory>Caffarelli</territory>
      <territory>Vandamme</territory>
      <territory>Bourcier</territory>
      <territory>Hohenloe</territory>
      <territory>Miloradovich</territory>
      <territory>Dokturov</territory>
   </position>

   <position>
      <territory>D'Hautpoul</territory>
      <territory>Saint Hilaire</territory>
      <territory>Friant</territory>
      <territory>Von Essen</territory>
      <territory>Kolowrat</territory>
      <territory>Kienmayer</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

[iancanton]

u need only 3 sets of starting positions; to make sense, each set must include one village and one french left flank division.

ian.