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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:08 am

Incandenza wrote:Well, speaking of the whole poison/fig concept...

Julia Livilla is a bit hard to get to, and I fear that that would be an exceedingly powerful terit to get on the drop. Perhaps she and Livia should start neutral as well. Controlling one or both of them should be a strategic decision.... could also be interesting if they could attack/bombard each other.


Or potentially be attacked from the gods? (I don't know the history here - but did the gods tell them to do it?)

But neutrals also sounds like a good idea to me.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby Incandenza on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:12 am

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Incandenza wrote:Well, speaking of the whole poison/fig concept...

Julia Livilla is a bit hard to get to, and I fear that that would be an exceedingly powerful terit to get on the drop. Perhaps she and Livia should start neutral as well. Controlling one or both of them should be a strategic decision.... could also be interesting if they could attack/bombard each other.


Or potentially be attacked from the gods? (I don't know the history here - but did the gods tell them to do it?)

But neutrals also sounds like a good idea to me.

C.


I kinda like the concept of the gods attacking/bombarding the lethal chicks. Makes them more than just small bonuses accessible only by attacking neutrals.
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:23 am

Incandenza wrote:lethal chicks.


I really do love your turn of phrase.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby Incandenza on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:33 am

yeti_c wrote:
Incandenza wrote:lethal chicks.


I really do love your turn of phrase.

C.


I do have my moments.

And let the record show that I am in favor of aggressive fictionalization for this map, especially as regards the many names that occur more than once. No one's ever heard of any of the various Julia Caesaris broads. Would it kill the overall concept of the map to change a few of those names? (I'm reasonably confident you would get few, if any, angry PMs complaining about monkeying around with the verifiable history of the family in question, and even so, those few angry-PM-senders are losers and must be ignored).
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V7

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:06 pm

Incandenza wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
Incandenza wrote:lethal chicks.

I really do love your turn of phrase.
C.

I do have my moments.
And let the record show that I am in favor of aggressive fictionalization for this map, especially as regards the many names that occur more than once. No one's ever heard of any of the various Julia Caesaris broads. Would it kill the overall concept of the map to change a few of those names? (I'm reasonably confident you would get few, if any, angry PMs complaining about monkeying around with the verifiable history of the family in question, and even so, those few angry-PM-senders are losers and must be ignored).


Version 7.
This opens up Julius Caesar to another avenue of outside attack from Emperor Augustus through adoption - yes there were symbolic adoptions

Also, i have possible solved the Julia Caesaris too many names situation.

and....am trying to bring every name down to 2 where possible.

FOR DISUSSION....there is a possible further link to Julius Caesar from outside attack....if we bring Cleopatra into the picture.....that would create a link through marriage between Mark Antony <-> Cleopatra <-> Julius Caesar and don't forget there was a son to Cleopatra and Julis Caesar -> Caesarion.
Would this be feasible?

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:29 pm

Does adoption count as a member of the bonus continent?

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby MrBenn on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:12 pm

I think the adoption routes make it too easy to expand from one Emperor to another??
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby MrBenn on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:12 pm

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:13 pm

yeti_c wrote:Does adoption count as a member of the bonus continent?

C.

Good point C.
I would rather say no, there is no added bonus for adoption, and i will have to mark that on the map.
But it is simply a way of linking that side of the map back to J Caesar.
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:15 pm

MrBenn wrote:[Advanced Draft]

Thanks Mr Benn.

MrBenn wrote:I think the adoption routes make it too easy to expand from one Emperor to another??

I agree. But since they start neutral that wouldn't be an issue at the start until those Emperors were "born"
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:18 pm

cairnswk wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Does adoption count as a member of the bonus continent?

C.

Good point C.
I would rather say no, there is no added bonus for adoption, and i will have to mark that on the map.
But it is simply a way of linking that side of the map back to J Caesar.


I think NO would work better too.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:25 pm

yeti_c wrote:....
I think NO would work better too.

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Huh! sorry i don't understand what you are saying here
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:30 pm

cairnswk wrote:
yeti_c wrote:....
I think NO would work better too.

C.

Huh! sorry i don't understand what you are saying here


No to adoption = part of family bonus.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:40 pm

yeti_c wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
yeti_c wrote:....
I think NO would work better too.

C.

Huh! sorry i don't understand what you are saying here


No to adoption = part of family bonus.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V7

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:45 pm

cairnswk wrote:...
FOR DISUSSION....there is a possible further link to Julius Caesar from outside attack....if we bring Cleopatra into the picture.....that would create a link through marriage between Mark Antony <-> Cleopatra <-> Julius Caesar and don't forget there was a son to Cleopatra and Julis Caesar -> Caesarion.
Would this be feasible?

Is this a good idea?
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:55 pm

cairnswk wrote:
cairnswk wrote:...
FOR DISUSSION....there is a possible further link to Julius Caesar from outside attack....if we bring Cleopatra into the picture.....that would create a link through marriage between Mark Antony <-> Cleopatra <-> Julius Caesar and don't forget there was a son to Cleopatra and Julis Caesar -> Caesarion.
Would this be feasible?

Is this a good idea?

This is how this might look...i can't think of any other way of showing it to connect Mark antony and Cleopatra and Julius Caesar
I have ghosted it red blood because the marriage of Caesar and Cleopatra was partially to blame to for his downfall, and was not in the roman tradition I believe.
I does create the connection however.

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V6 (P3) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:58 pm

yeti_c wrote:....
PS - forgot to mention - one of you bombardment figs is the wrong colour.
PPS - "wife" is spelt "wifw" in the legend.
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Fixed.
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:47 pm

Mmmm. the poll is not looking good for continuing this map.
Some people just don't like a challenge or perhaps can't think outside the box. :shock:
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - For continuity?

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:49 pm

I feel really :| about this map right now. I think it has a lot of potential, but I find the current layout very opaque and hard to grasp, much like Forbidden City. I know this isn't a very useful suggestion, since I don't know how to make it better, but :|
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:58 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:I feel really :| about this map right now. I think it has a lot of potential, but I find the current layout very opaque and hard to grasp, much like Forbidden City. I know this isn't a very useful suggestion, since I don't know how to make it better, but :|

Gees Zeak....surely you can follow some lines and make some family associations
what don't you understand?
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - For continuity?

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:02 pm

cairnswk wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:I feel really :| about this map right now. I think it has a lot of potential, but I find the current layout very opaque and hard to grasp, much like Forbidden City. I know this isn't a very useful suggestion, since I don't know how to make it better, but :|

Gees Zeak....surely you can follow some lines and make some family associations
what don't you understand?


I feel like if I were actually playing a game on this map, I would be overwhelmed by the number of bonus combinations.
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - For continuity?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:13 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:I feel really :| about this map right now. I think it has a lot of potential, but I find the current layout very opaque and hard to grasp, much like Forbidden City. I know this isn't a very useful suggestion, since I don't know how to make it better, but :|

Gees Zeak....surely you can follow some lines and make some family associations
what don't you understand?


I feel like if I were actually playing a game on this map, I would be overwhelmed by the number of bonus combinations.


Ah...so this is outside the box for you. while it may seems difficult, it really is no more than lots of small continents with a couple of big ones thrown in for good measure.
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - Continuity? (Votes changable)

Postby Incandenza on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:30 am

In all fairness, cairns, there's a fine line between complex and confusing, and in places this map seems to drift over the line. The name thing is going to be a big issue, with so many repetitions and so many similar-sounding names. I ask again, have you considered just fictionalizing the people that no one's ever heard of?

I think the Cleopatra/adoption line thing is a good idea, otherwise Emperor Caesar is one big honkin' choke point.

For how powerful of a terit it is, Julia Livilla is awfully hard to get to. Maybe the Gods could show disfavor to her and Livia by being able to smite them with thunderbolts (i.e. bombard)?
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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - Continuity? (Votes changable)

Postby yeti_c on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:14 am

"Agrippina - Germanicus" & "Drusus - Antonia" have 2 pixels seperating the connections - I think this looks better/less confusing than the 1 pixel versions you have for "Gaius Julius Ceaser - Marica (ex regii)" & "Marcus V Agrippa - Julia The Elder"

Can you standardise these?

Incandenza wrote:I think the Cleopatra/adoption line thing is a good idea, otherwise Emperor Caesar is one big honkin' choke point.

For how powerful of a terit it is, Julia Livilla is awfully hard to get to. Maybe the Gods could show disfavor to her and Livia by being able to smite them with thunderbolts (i.e. bombard)?


Definitely agree with these points.

Not sure about the fictionalisation - but agree that as it stands - we need to make much greater differentiation.

This maps connections are far easier to read than "Forbidden City".

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Re: [POLL] POISON ROME V8 (P5) - Continuity? (Votes changable)

Postby cairnswk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:26 am

Incandenza wrote:In all fairness, cairns, there's a fine line between complex and confusing, and in places this map seems to drift over the line. The name thing is going to be a big issue, with so many repetitions and so many similar-sounding names. I ask again, have you considered just fictionalizing the people that no one's ever heard of?

I think the Cleopatra/adoption line thing is a good idea, otherwise Emperor Caesar is one big honkin' choke point.

For how powerful of a terit it is, Julia Livilla is awfully hard to get to. Maybe the Gods could show disfavor to her and Livia by being able to smite them with thunderbolts (i.e. bombard)?


1. In all fairness incandenza, i had never heard of Kamchatka until I played Risk in 1974.
That was a learning curve for me...grantedly geographic, but still i had to familiarise myself with it.
This is no different as to names, and yes there a learning curve to nearly all my maps which people don't like.
I will not denegrate the names of the families of this history for the sake of people who don't want to learn or are too lazy to make some differentation, which i am doin g solmething about sorting out.

2. in the mini-series I Claudius, Livia Drusilla was made a God by Claudius.
I will research that further, it seems that Livia is more powerful.
Maybe we just need to change the "kills" to bombards.

3. Cleopatra also i like that connection, although after watching the Series ROME, i think there might be other possibilities.
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