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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:49 pm

Looking good - I think the perspective is just a matter of personal preference, as you say ;-)

Sully made a good suggestion about the bonus-instruction text, but I can't really find fault with anything...

The only thing I'd mention, is whether you've given any thought to having the small version without the pen/cup/perspective, or whether that would confuse people too much when switching between maps??
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby sully800 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:14 pm

MrBenn wrote:Looking good - I think the perspective is just a matter of personal preference, as you say ;-)

Sully made a good suggestion about the bonus-instruction text, but I can't really find fault with anything...

The only thing I'd mention, is whether you've given any thought to having the small version without the pen/cup/perspective, or whether that would confuse people too much when switching between maps??


You could cut off the pen and the cup a bit more in the small map perhaps, but the small one doesn't feel too crowded right now so that might not be necessary. Eliminating the perspective could be confusing, I'm not sure how many people switch between small and large regularly. I probably wouldn't notice because I very rarely switch!
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby oaktown on Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:18 pm

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MrBenn wrote:Sully made a good suggestion about the bonus-instruction text, but I can't really find fault with anything...

I think this version has much improves=d lower text.

MrBenn wrote:The only thing I'd mention, is whether you've given any thought to having the small version without the pen/cup/perspective, or whether that would confuse people too much when switching between maps??

I have no problem with making the two maps different, but simply presenting the postcard without the outer elements really won't save much space. If you lose the perspective and turn the card upright on the small map it comes out the same size as the current image. If it would mean a significant increase in the size of the gameplay elements I'd do it, but since it doesn't i don't think it justifies losing the fun graphics.

Kansas... I tried to come up with something for kansas earlier and failed. Having driven across Kansas all I remember seeing is corn, followed by miles and miles of more corn. Then you pass through a small town and see more corn. I'm pretty content with leaving it flat, because...
geographers compared the flatness of Kansas to the flatness of a pancake. They used topographic data from a digital scale model prepared by the US Geological Survey, and they purchased a pancake from the International House of Pancakes. If perfect flatness were a value of 1.00, they reported, the calculated flatness of a pancake would be 0.957 "which is pretty flat, but far from perfectly flat". Kansas's flatness however turned out to be 0.997, which they said might be described, mathematically, as "damn flat".
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby ender516 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:33 pm

oaktown wrote:
geographers compared the flatness of Kansas to the flatness of a pancake. They used topographic data from a digital scale model prepared by the US Geological Survey, and they purchased a pancake from the International House of Pancakes. If perfect flatness were a value of 1.00, they reported, the calculated flatness of a pancake would be 0.957 "which is pretty flat, but far from perfectly flat". Kansas's flatness however turned out to be 0.997, which they said might be described, mathematically, as "damn flat".

:lol: I love it when people use technical terms. :lol:
Too bad there isn't an icon that conveys flatness!
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby RedBaron0 on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:34 am

The army circles still seem to be slightly oddly shaped, not quite circular(mostly just the circles towards the edges of the map). It's not big thing though, get it to the FF and test it out with the "88's" and worry about it then if necessary.
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby oaktown on Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:20 am

RedBaron0 wrote:The army circles still seem to be slightly oddly shaped, not quite circular(mostly just the circles towards the edges of the map). It's not big thing though, get it to the FF and test it out with the "88's" and worry about it then if necessary.

As I explained about five posts ago, the perspective of the postcard makes everything- including the circles - look slightly flattened. This is intentional.
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby iancanton on Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:34 am

oaktown wrote:Kansas... I tried to come up with something for kansas earlier and failed.

for a moment, i thought that we could have the emerald city from the wizard of oz... then i remembered that kansas city isn't in kansas!

oaktown wrote:
MrBenn wrote:The only thing I'd mention, is whether you've given any thought to having the small version without the pen/cup/perspective, or whether that would confuse people too much when switching between maps??

I have no problem with making the two maps different, but simply presenting the postcard without the outer elements really won't save much space. If you lose the perspective and turn the card upright on the small map it comes out the same size as the current image. If it would mean a significant increase in the size of the gameplay elements I'd do it, but since it doesn't i don't think it justifies losing the fun graphics.

concur. by far the majority play on the small map. the ambience of the whole setting would be missing without those extra retro touches.

ian. :)
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby perchorin on Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:40 am

Kansas, being "The Sunflower State" could have a sunflower in it. It would be pretty! Also, I'm really looking forward to playing this map.
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby RedBaron0 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:44 am

For Kansas you could use a buffalo, or a cattle skull, for Utah you could put a beehive down or a steam locomotive, the cattle skull might actually be better in California since Rt. 66 passes just the south of Death Valley. ;)
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby MrBenn on Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:54 pm

This has been here too long now, and is very worthy of this:
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Onwards and Upwards =D>
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby Supermarioluigi on Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:03 pm

oaktown wrote:
geographers compared the flatness of Kansas to the flatness of a pancake. They used topographic data from a digital scale model prepared by the US Geological Survey, and they purchased a pancake from the International House of Pancakes. If perfect flatness were a value of 1.00, they reported, the calculated flatness of a pancake would be 0.957 "which is pretty flat, but far from perfectly flat". Kansas's flatness however turned out to be 0.997, which they said might be described, mathematically, as "damn flat".


then that settles it.
We'll use a pancake for Kansas.


Now, does anyone else think Arkansas could use something as well?
...I have no idea, because I know absolutely nothing about Arkansas.
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby oaktown on Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:44 pm

Supermarioluigi wrote:Now, does anyone else think Arkansas could use something as well?
...I have no idea, because I know absolutely nothing about Arkansas.

You and about 302 million Amercans.

Thanks for the stamp... I fully intend to get something in Kansas, I've just been crazy busy these last two weeks. ASAP.
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby ender516 on Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:23 pm

oaktown wrote:Thanks for the stamp... I fully intend to get something in Kansas, I've just been crazy busy these last two weeks. ASAP.

Well, if you are not going to leave Kansas flat, I would vote for a cob of corn, with the husk partly open. (A corn chip would be nice and flat, but probably unrecognizable.)
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Re: Route 66: tweaks on pg 11 (GP)

Postby oaktown on Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:32 am

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Just to show that I haven't completely abandoned this map, here it is with some corn, large and small. :)

I'll see what I can do with the XML next.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby oaktown on Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:34 pm

Code is written. I've yet to correct the coordinates - the small is a mess.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby ender516 on Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:33 pm

Houston, we are go for corn.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby MrBenn on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:42 am

              Final Forge

---The Route 66 Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. The map has passed rigorous gameplay and graphics examinations, and major concerns have been addressed. If you have any other concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby ender516 on Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:14 pm

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you, Oaktown, on reaching the Final Forge with this map. I think the first nitpick you will need to deal with, and you might as well hear it from me, is that your small image is not in your first post. I have seen it in the post just before the post with the XML, and it looks fine to me, but the map dilettantes won't search for it.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby perchorin on Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:27 pm

Jesus people, there's no corn in Kansas! It's Iowa that has the corn, Kansas is a wheat state, doesn't anybody know the difference???
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby ender516 on Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:12 pm

perchorin wrote:Jesus people, there's no corn in Kansas! It's Iowa that has the corn, Kansas is a wheat state, doesn't anybody know the difference???
Well, where were you four weeks ago when I suggested the following?
ender516 wrote:There's only two things that come from Kansas, steers and queers.... :D ;) Just kidding, though something agricultural does seem to be missing from the map. What would be more appropriate to Kansas, a steer, a steer's head (longhorn?), or perhaps a cob of corn or sheaf of wheat? Anybody from that area with an opinion?
And Wikipedia says there is both wheat and corn (yeah, yeah, I know, Wikipedia, feh). But oaktown says he has seen the corn:
oaktown wrote:Kansas... I tried to come up with something for kansas earlier and failed. Having driven across Kansas all I remember seeing is corn, followed by miles and miles of more corn. Then you pass through a small town and see more corn.
Now I suppose if you can convince oak that wheat is a better choice, then a few ears of wheat or a sheaf might be more appropriate. Do we need a poll?
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby mibi on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:15 pm

I think the places depicted at the bottom should instead be places from the song route 66.

Well it goes through St. Louie down to Missouri
Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty.
You'll see Amarillo, Gallup, New Mexico
Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona,
Kingsman, Barstow, San Bernardino.

And whats up with Acoma? I've been there and don't remember any route 66 near by.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby oaktown on Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:28 pm

mibi wrote:I think the places depicted at the bottom should instead be places from the song route 66.

Well it goes through St. Louie down to Missouri
Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty.
You'll see Amarillo, Gallup, New Mexico
Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona,
Kingsman, Barstow, San Bernardino.

And whats up with Acoma? I've been there and don't remember any route 66 near by.

:lol: I thought I'd done a decent job of getting most of the song locations on the map itself... as for the pix at the bottom, I tried to go with things that actually look impressive enough to be on a postcard. My apologies, Amarillo.

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I believe Acoma Pueblo is something like ten miles off of the old Route 66, so it's an obvious side trip... basically I wanted some Native America nod. It's certainly closer than the Grand Canyon, which has to be on there.

The Kansas Corn Growers Association estimates that Kansas will pump out nearly 515,000,000 bushels of corn in 2009, and for eight of the past ten years they've produced more corn than any other grain.

It should be noted that I may have confused my driving time in Kansas with that of one of the many other states in which i saw nothing but corn. 8-)
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby mibi on Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:52 am

fine by me, i was just throwin a wrench out here.
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Re: Route 66: now with corn! (GP, GFX)

Postby oaktown on Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:09 am

Large and small images, with 88s and 888s.
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I'm finding that the circles are much less circular than I'd thought they'd be. By setting the postcard back at an angle on the table the circles were, of course, going to get skewed, but some of the circles toward the back edge of the image are especially so. But I'd rather maintain the illusion and sacrifice perfect centering, which really only matters when you have exactly 88 armies on a territory (the other #s aren't symmetrical). For example, when you have random #s on the map, they look just fine.

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If anybody wants to play around with the Map Inspect tool, here are the files:
Small Map: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg
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XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml

I'm using snapdrive.com for XML file hosting, because FileDen sucks... too many ads to wade through before your can get to your files. And most other sites don't give you a direct link with which you can use Map Inspect. I may stop using photobucket soon, what with the commercials that launch while you're downloading.
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Re: Route 66: coordinates on pg 13

Postby Gilligan on Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:49 pm

Is anyone else a little annoyed by the fact that Kansas City is in Missouri?
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