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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:23 pm

Is it just me or is this map too wide?? 841px :o
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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby RjBeals on Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:30 pm

samuelc812 wrote:Is it just me or is this map too wide?? 841px :o


LOL - damn that 1 pixel - this map is ruined !!

. LARGE MAP: WIDTH up to 840 px ; HEIGHT 800 px.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:40 pm

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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby pikkio on Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:11 pm

ok guys, i will post a version with no glows and same territories colors each continent. ;)

the problem is that if the islands have the same colour, it's quite impossible to understand which are in a territory and which in the adjacent.. for this reason i thought to use a different method to signal which territories are in the same country bonus. but we will see how it's better. ;)

p.s. oh damn!! that f***in' pixel!! :P :lol:
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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby gho on Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:16 pm

The eastern part of indonesia is a part of oceania, see the wallace line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Thus i think you should add another continent, indonesia, with the western part of papua new guinea (known as irian jaya), Celebes, Flores (home to the amazing prehistoric midget men), Timor and all the other islands. You wouldnt need to widen your map because all the territories you would be adding would be above australia.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP UPDATED (26/11/08 Vers. 1.2)

Postby RjBeals on Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:55 am

I'm worried that with the small island dots spread all over the place, that this will be a very confusing map. There needs to be some way to draw the islands in together, so you can see what islands/territories below to what bonus regions. Looking at google earth, some of these islands are no bigger than parking lot, so to be true to scale, your dots are fine. But I think for this map, you need to toss out scale. My suggestion is to group the islands closer, maybe separate with lighter/darker coast water. Maybe adjust the glow? I would also really work on the ocean. The ocean color/texture should really be badass.

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Re: OCEANIA MAP UPDATED (26/11/08 Vers. 1.2)

Postby pikkio on Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:40 am

i eliminated the glow effect and made the same colour for the territories in the same country.

i realized a dark version and a light version. in the dark i may improve the coast light sea effect, but this is an example.

please, tell me if you prefer the dark or the light map, cause then i can go on with one on those and make the other changes. ;) in my opinion the dark map it's looking better.. :roll:
also tell me if the no-glow maps are better or no. ;)

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Re: OCEANIA MAP UPDATED (26/11/08 Vers. 1.2)

Postby RjBeals on Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:15 am

The dark blue is easier on the eyes. and without the glow - i'm just looking at army circles and names. I can barely even notice the dots (islands) in the background.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby edbeard on Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:23 pm

I prefer the light version but I also preferred the glow. And, you can't really make the determination that the light or dark is better without seeing how the rest of the map looks so the glow will potentially matter in making that determination.

the red for Melanesia feels too strong (in both versions). no idea how a glow would look.

about the glow, I liked how the glow was a slightly different colour or a contrasting colour than the island colours. It was unique. the glow was just too big. make them smaller and possibly with less opacity.



in a gameplay sense, I had zero problems with the previous version.

I don't particularly like the addition of the new island to New Zealand because I liked you having a +2 region in there. It definitely is balanced but I'd prefer if there was a +2 and if there was a +4 or two in there as well. I'll look it over again later after you progress to the foundry or if changes are made but your current gameplay seems fine. Not to say I didn't miss anything.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby Incandenza on Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:28 pm

So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby reggie_mac on Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:09 pm

Firstly, I like the idea of this map. It is something i would most defiantly play. now into the picking ... Chatham Islands are generally accessed from the South Island of NZ rather than the North Island, also the Tokelau is a territory of New Zealand, so should almost be part of that area bonus, or maybe including NZ as part of Polynesia then dropping Pitcarn Islands, which open it up for including more of indonesia??
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby gho on Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:40 pm

Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby Jumentum on Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:07 pm

wow thats a really great map already!
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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby Geger on Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:56 am

gho wrote:The eastern part of indonesia is a part of oceania, see the wallace line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Thus i think you should add another continent, indonesia, with the western part of papua new guinea (known as irian jaya), Celebes, Flores (home to the amazing prehistoric midget men), Timor and all the other islands. You wouldnt need to widen your map because all the territories you would be adding would be above australia.


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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:54 am

Geger wrote:
gho wrote:The eastern part of indonesia is a part of oceania, see the wallace line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Thus i think you should add another continent, indonesia, with the western part of papua new guinea (known as irian jaya), Celebes, Flores (home to the amazing prehistoric midget men), Timor and all the other islands. You wouldnt need to widen your map because all the territories you would be adding would be above australia.


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I know that wallace line signs the real end of asia continents and tha beginning of Oceania's one, but it seems to be a biological division so we're are discussing about.
Obviously if the community likes it, we can do this change, but since now i say that we can only admit this states:
    - Celebes
    - Flores
    - Timor
    - Malucas
    - Irian Java

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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( UPDATE! (27/11/08 Vers. 1.3))

Postby InkL0sed on Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:59 pm

Maybe instead of having territories connected by attacking lines, you can draw territories Classic-style?
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Re: OCEANIA MAP NEW! (25/11/08 Vers. 1.0)

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:10 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:I know that wallace line signs the real end of asia continents and tha beginning of Oceania's one, but it seems to be a biological division so we're are discussing about.
Obviously if the community likes it, we can do this change, but since now i say that we can only admit this states:
    - Celebes
    - Flores
    - Timor
    - Malucas
    - Irian Java

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I think the Wallace line would be great for gameplay, and round off that end of the map. Please keep Norfolk Island, it is a far more significant island than Ashmore reef.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( UPDATE! (27/11/08 Vers. 1.3))

Postby InkL0sed on Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:26 pm

All of your glows are in bad need of less opacity.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby Incandenza on Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:56 am

gho wrote:
Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.


Yeah, you kinda do. The map is already about as wide as it can get, and the mapmakers are going to need space to properly do whatever bit of indonesia they feel appropriate (i.e. terit and continents names, circles, attack routes and what not). Pitcairn is such an outlier that it seems wasteful to include it.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:22 am

Incandenza wrote:
gho wrote:
Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.


Yeah, you kinda do. The map is already about as wide as it can get, and the mapmakers are going to need space to properly do whatever bit of indonesia they feel appropriate (i.e. terit and continents names, circles, attack routes and what not). Pitcairn is such an outlier that it seems wasteful to include it.



We 're going to include "wallace line zone" based on this picture ( green zone)
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but pitcairn will not deleted because it's useful in gameplay.
Next week you can understand better than now ;) , infact we have to post the new map version
I think we could move pitcair a little bit to left but i have to speak with pikkio because he is the graphic.
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:02 am

We 're going to include "wallace line zone" based on this picture ( green zone)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/TransOceania_m.png/400px-TransOceania_m.png
but pitcairn will not deleted because it's useful in gameplay.
Next week you can understand better than now ;) , infact we have to post the new map version
I think we could move pitcair a little bit to left but i have to speak with pikkio because he is the graphic.



UPDATED TO 1.5 VERSION
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NEW FEATURES:
WALLACE LINE ZONE ( 5 territories):
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    - Flores
    - Timor
    - Irian Java
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Re: OCEANIA MAP ( (26/11/08 Vers. 1.3)

Postby Geger on Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:56 am

thenobodies80 wrote:
NEW FEATURES:
WALLACE LINE ZONE ( 5 territories):
    - Celebes
    - Flores
    - Timor
    - Irian Java
    - Malucas


Thanks, but some corrections here :
    - Irian Jaya (with y) or West Irian or West Papua
    - Maluku or Moluccas

btw, you can call them East Indonesia ;)
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Re: OCEANIA MAP Vers. 1.5 UPDATE Dec. 1st 2008

Postby pikkio on Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:53 am

uopsss :oops: i'm sorry! my mistake... :roll: i really don't know very well that zones.. i will correct it! ;)

p.s. in fact i don't like too much the name Wallace Zone for the country.. if thenobodies is agree too, i think that we can call it East Indonesia like you suggest. ;)
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Re: OCEANIA MAP Vers. 1.5 UPDATE Dec. 1st 2008

Postby e_i_pi on Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:56 am

wikipedia wrote:The province was known as "West Irian" or "Irian Barat" from 1969 to 1973, and then renamed "Irian Jaya" (roughly translated, "Glorious Irian") by the Suharto administration. This was the official name until "Papua" was adopted in 2002. Today, natives of this province prefer to call themselves Papuans rather than Irianese.


I think Papua would be a good name for it. Irian Jaya, from what I've heard, is a name that is derogatory towards the people there, and a glorification of a military regime who stomped all over those people's push for independance. (This is hearsay) It roughly translates to "The Indonesian army (IRIAN) has triumphed".

Most people in this region call it Papua anyway, sometimes it's called West Papua. Papua sometimes refers to the entire island.

EDIT - Trivia about West Papua's inclusion into Indonesia, after formerly being a Dutch Territory

wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.


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Re: OCEANIA MAP Vers. 1.5 UPDATE Dec. 1st 2008

Postby Geger on Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:47 am

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wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.




I didn't support the action, I'm from Sumatra and we are not happy either with our Central Government. We tried to go independent in 1958 and became the same threatening :evil: .
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