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lostatlimbo wrote:Victor Sullivan wrote:I propose that the rose gardens be added to the starting positions, to make an even eight:
-Sully
I'm not opposed to that, as long as it does not adversely affect gameplay.
Victor Sullivan wrote:This:lostatlimbo wrote:Victor Sullivan wrote:I propose that the rose gardens be added to the starting positions, to make an even eight:
-Sully
I'm not opposed to that, as long as it does not adversely affect gameplay.
I trust you're attending to the fixing of it? Make sure the gardens are coded neutral when you add them as starting positions.
-Sully
Victor Sullivan wrote:Hey lostatlimbo, thanks for the PM. Firstly, I myself am an advocate of low neutrals, since 99 out of 100 players would rather take an opponent's territory over a neutral territory with the same neutral count. So, with that, I'd keep things low - make all of your max stations and bike routes just 1 neutral, especially considering their main use is transportation around the map (as one would expect). Second, I suggest moving the Beaverton neutral to Southwest Hills, so it doesn't "cover up" the MAX station - make sure this is a neutral 2 for similar reasons stated above. Third, make sure your rose gardens and microbrews are coded neutral 2's.
Regions/player:2 players - 12
As you can see, we get an unfortunate number for 1v1s. This would be easily remedied by setting your positions max equal to 3 (lowering the regions/player to 10) or by placing another neutral elsewhere (which I wouldn't advise, as it would lower the regions/player across the board).
3 players - 10
4 players - 8
5 players - 5
6 players - 5
7 players - 4
8 players - 4
Hope this helps! Feel free to PM me anytime.
-Sully
flexmaster33 wrote:why not make all neutrals 2?
lostatlimbo wrote:After brushing up on starting position XML and thinking about this more, what do you think of:
4 killer neutrals of 1 troop each (Bike Paths)
10 neutrals of 2 troops each (Southwest Hills, Washington Park, University, Irvington, Laurelhurst, Old-Town Pioneer MAX, Expo Center MAX, Portland Airport MAX, Alameda MAX, Fareless Zone)
32 classic territories of 3 troops each
That covers 2 gardens, 2 microbrews, 4 MAX stops (each line) from lucky drops and splits well for games of most sizes.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<positions max="3">
<position>
<territory>University</territory>
<territory>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Alberta Arts</territory>
<territory>Beaverton MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Laurelhurst</territory>
<territory>Expo Center MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Nob Hill</territory>
<territory>Mt. Tabor MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>St. Johns</territory>
<territory>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Washington Park</territory>
<territory>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Irvington</territory>
<territory>Portland Airport MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Hawthorne</territory>
<territory>Alameda MAX</territory>
</position>
</positions>
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<positions max="3">
<position>
<territory>University</territory>
<territory>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Alberta Arts</territory>
<territory>Beaverton MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Laurelhurst</territory>
<territory>Expo Center MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Nob Hill</territory>
<territory>Mt. Tabor MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>St. Johns</territory>
<territory>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Washington Park</territory>
<territory>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Irvington</territory>
<territory>Portland Airport MAX</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>Hawthorne</territory>
<territory>Alameda MAX</territory>
</position>
</positions>
<continent>
<name>NoPo</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<territory>St. Johns</territory>
<territory>Expo Center</territory>
<territory>University</territory>
<territory>Overlook</territory>
<territory>Swan Island</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>NE</name>
<bonus>8</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Columbia Slough</territory>
<territory>Portland Airport</territory>
<territory>Cascadia</territory>
<territory>Mississippi</territory>
<territory>Alberta Arts</territory>
<territory>Alameda</territory>
<territory>Hollywood</territory>
<territory>Irvington</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>SE</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Laurelhurst</territory>
<territory>Mt. Tabor</territory>
<territory>Woodstock</territory>
<territory>Clinton</territory>
<territory>Hawthorne</territory>
<territory>Reed</territory>
<territory>OMSI</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>SW</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Beaverton</territory>
<territory>Southwest Hills</territory>
<territory>Marquam</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>NW</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Forest Park</territory>
<territory>Sylvan Heights</territory>
<territory>Washington Park</territory>
<territory>Industrial</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Downtown</name>
<bonus>6</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Nob Hill</territory>
<territory>Pearl</territory>
<territory>Old Town</territory>
<territory>Pioneer</territory>
<territory>PSU</territory>
<territory>Goose Hollow</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Microbrews</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Nob Hill</territory>
<territory>University</territory>
<territory>Alberta Arts</territory>
<territory>Laurelhurst</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Rose gardens</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Washington Park</territory>
<territory>St. Johns</territory>
<territory>Irvington</territory>
<territory>Hawthorne</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Microbrews</override>
</overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Blue MAX</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Beaverton MAX</territory>
<territory>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</territory>
<territory>Fareless Zone MAX</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Yellow MAX</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Expo Center MAX</territory>
<territory>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</territory>
<territory>Fareless Zone MAX</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Red MAX</name>
<bonus>6</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Fareless Zone MAX</territory>
<territory>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</territory>
<territory>Mt. Tabor MAX</territory>
<territory>Alameda MAX</territory>
<territory>Portland Airport MAX</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<territory>
<name>Beaverton</name>
<borders>
<border>Beaverton MAX</border>
<border>Southwest Hills</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>127</smallx>
<smally>453</smally>
<largex>169</largex>
<largey>595</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Southwest Hills</name>
<borders>
<border>Beaverton</border>
<border>Marquam</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>219</smallx>
<smally>456</smally>
<largex>290</largex>
<largey>598</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Marquam</name>
<borders>
<border>Southwest Hills</border>
<border>PSU</border>
<border>SW Bike Path</border>
<border>Reed</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>330</smallx>
<smally>464</smally>
<largex>439</largex>
<largey>609</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>PSU</name>
<borders>
<border>Marquam</border>
<border>SW Bike Path</border>
<border>Pioneer</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>305</smallx>
<smally>415</smally>
<largex>405</largex>
<largey>544</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Pioneer</name>
<borders>
<border>PSU</border>
<border>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>333</smallx>
<smally>386</smally>
<largex>443</largex>
<largey>505</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Old Town</name>
<borders>
<border>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
<border>Pearl</border>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>340</smallx>
<smally>353</smally>
<largex>452</largex>
<largey>461</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Pearl</name>
<borders>
<border>Old Town</border>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>312</smallx>
<smally>312</smally>
<largex>414</largex>
<largey>406</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Nob Hill</name>
<borders>
<border>Pearl</border>
<border>Old Town</border>
<border>Goose Hollow</border>
<border>Washington Park</border>
<border>Forest Park</border>
<border>Industrial</border>
<border>Overlook</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>254</smallx>
<smally>313</smally>
<largex>337</largex>
<largey>408</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Goose Hollow</name>
<borders>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>252</smallx>
<smally>393</smally>
<largex>334</largex>
<largey>514</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Washington Park</name>
<borders>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
<border>Sylvan Heights</border>
<border>Forest Park</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>196</smallx>
<smally>351</smally>
<largex>260</largex>
<largey>459</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Sylvan Heights</name>
<borders>
<border>Washington Park</border>
<border>Forest Park</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>124</smallx>
<smally>347</smally>
<largex>164</largex>
<largey>453</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Forest Park</name>
<borders>
<border>Sylvan Heights</border>
<border>Washington Park</border>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
<border>St. Johns</border>
<border>NW Bike Path</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>135</smallx>
<smally>199</smally>
<largex>179</largex>
<largey>256</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>St. Johns</name>
<borders>
<border>Forest Park</border>
<border>University</border>
<border>Expo Center</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>214</smallx>
<smally>100</smally>
<largex>284</largex>
<largey>124</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>University</name>
<borders>
<border>St. Johns</border>
<border>Overlook</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>240</smallx>
<smally>175</smally>
<largex>319</largex>
<largey>224</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Industrial</name>
<borders>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>218</smallx>
<smally>231</smally>
<largex>289</largex>
<largey>298</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Expo Center</name>
<borders>
<border>St. Johns</border>
<border>Expo Center MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>301</smallx>
<smally>113</smally>
<largex>400</largex>
<largey>141</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Overlook</name>
<borders>
<border>University</border>
<border>Swan Island</border>
<border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
<border>Nob Hill</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>318</smallx>
<smally>178</smally>
<largex>422</largex>
<largey>228</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Swan Island</name>
<borders>
<border>Overlook</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>286</smallx>
<smally>223</smally>
<largex>380</largex>
<largey>290</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Mississippi</name>
<borders>
<border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
<border>Alberta Arts</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>381</smallx>
<smally>246</smally>
<largex>506</largex>
<largey>318</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Columbia Slough</name>
<borders>
<border>Portland Airport</border>
<border>Cascadia</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>425</smallx>
<smally>141</smally>
<largex>565</largex>
<largey>178</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Portland Airport</name>
<borders>
<border>Columbia Slough</border>
<border>Cascadia</border>
<border>Portland Airport MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>483</smallx>
<smally>129</smally>
<largex>643</largex>
<largey>163</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Cascadia</name>
<borders>
<border>Portland Airport</border>
<border>Columbia Slough</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>551</smallx>
<smally>184</smally>
<largex>733</largex>
<largey>236</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Alameda</name>
<borders>
<border>Alameda MAX</border>
<border>Hollywood</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>Alberta Arts</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>534</smallx>
<smally>244</smally>
<largex>710</largex>
<largey>316</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Alberta Arts</name>
<borders>
<border>Alameda</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
<border>Mississippi</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>441</smallx>
<smally>225</smally>
<largex>587</largex>
<largey>290</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Hollywood</name>
<borders>
<border>Alameda</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
<border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>543</smallx>
<smally>313</smally>
<largex>722</largex>
<largey>408</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Irvington</name>
<borders>
<border>Hollywood</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>Alberta Arts</border>
<border>Mississippi</border>
<border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
<border>Pearl</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>441</smallx>
<smally>312</smally>
<largex>587</largex>
<largey>407</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Mt. Tabor</name>
<borders>
<border>Woodstock</border>
<border>Hawthorne</border>
<border>Laurelhurst</border>
<border>Mt. Tabor MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>601</smallx>
<smally>406</smally>
<largex>800</largex>
<largey>532</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Laurelhurst</name>
<borders>
<border>Mt. Tabor</border>
<border>Hawthorne</border>
<border>OMSI</border>
<border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>489</smallx>
<smally>372</smally>
<largex>650</largex>
<largey>486</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Hawthorne</name>
<borders>
<border>Laurelhurst</border>
<border>Mt. Tabor</border>
<border>Clinton</border>
<border>Reed</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>508</smallx>
<smally>413</smally>
<largex>677</largex>
<largey>542</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Woodstock</name>
<borders>
<border>Mt. Tabor</border>
<border>Clinton</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>591</smallx>
<smally>462</smally>
<largex>786</largex>
<largey>606</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Clinton</name>
<borders>
<border>Woodstock</border>
<border>Hawthorne</border>
<border>Reed</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
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<largex>701</largex>
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</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Reed</name>
<borders>
<border>Clinton</border>
<border>Hawthorne</border>
<border>OMSI</border>
<border>SE Bike Path</border>
<border>Marquam</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>429</smallx>
<smally>444</smally>
<largex>570</largex>
<largey>583</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>OMSI</name>
<borders>
<border>Reed</border>
<border>Laurelhurst</border>
<border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>410</smallx>
<smally>387</smally>
<largex>545</largex>
<largey>506</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Fareless Zone MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>OMSI</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
<border>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
<border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
<border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>396</smallx>
<smally>341</smally>
<largex>530</largex>
<largey>447</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Old Town</border>
<border>Pioneer</border>
<border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
<border>Beaverton MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>302</smallx>
<smally>342</smally>
<largex>404</largex>
<largey>449</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Beaverton MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Beaverton</border>
<border>Old Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>131</smallx>
<smally>388</smally>
<largex>176</largex>
<largey>510</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
<border>Mt. Tabor MAX</border>
<border>Laurelhurst</border>
<border>Hollywood</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>504</smallx>
<smally>315</smally>
<largex>673</largex>
<largey>413</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Mt. Tabor MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Mt. Tabor</border>
<border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
<border>Alameda MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>596</smallx>
<smally>328</smally>
<largex>796</largex>
<largey>430</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Alameda MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Mt. Tabor MAX</border>
<border>Portland Airport MAX</border>
<border>Alameda</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
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<smally>225</smally>
<largex>786</largex>
<largey>293</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Portland Airport MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Portland Airport</border>
<border>Alameda MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>555</smallx>
<smally>99</smally>
<largex>742</largex>
<largey>125</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Mississippi</border>
<border>Overlook</border>
<border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
<border>Expo Center MAX</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
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<smally>177</smally>
<largex>467</largex>
<largey>229</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Expo Center MAX</name>
<borders>
<border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
<border>Expo Center</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>329</smallx>
<smally>94</smally>
<largex>441</largex>
<largey>118</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>NW Bike Path</name>
<borders>
<border>Forest Park</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>SW Bike Path</border>
<border>SE Bike Path</border>
</borders>
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<smally>245</smally>
<largex>208</largex>
<largey>319</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>SW Bike Path</name>
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<border>Marquam</border>
<border>PSU</border>
<border>NW Bike Path</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
<border>SE Bike Path</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
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<smally>442</smally>
<largex>444</largex>
<largey>581</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>SE Bike Path</name>
<borders>
<border>Reed</border>
<border>SW Bike Path</border>
<border>NW Bike Path</border>
<border>NE Bike Path</border>
</borders>
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<smally>460</smally>
<largex>623</largex>
<largey>606</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>NE Bike Path</name>
<borders>
<border>Hollywood</border>
<border>Irvington</border>
<border>Alberta Arts</border>
<border>Alameda</border>
<border>SE Bike Path</border>
<border>SW Bike Path</border>
<border>NW Bike Path</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>476</smallx>
<smally>273</smally>
<largex>636</largex>
<largey>356</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
</map>
thenobodies80 wrote:The error that the xml wizard gives to you is because it isn't updated so it won't accept the max option into the position tag. Don't worry, I've tested your xml using the official validator on the site, it is valid. ;)
Everything else (the changes you've done) will be checked asap.
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