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by **lostatlimbo** on Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:03 pm

iancanton wrote:in 1v1, it certainly is possible. u do have a valid point for team games. one way to adapt this bonus for team games is to increase it to +10 for holding 4 breweries or 4 roses, instead of the current +6. +10 can make it worthwhile, especially in fog games, to give up a brewery or a rose in favour of a teammate. this can be implemented with no changes to start positions (unlike a bonus for holding 3) if lostatlimbo considers it to be a good idea.

ian. :)

Hmmm... 10 is quite the jump. It currently is 5 for 4 - the 6 for 4 is the current proposed change. I do understand that it is a tough bonus for team games, but there are plenty of other bonuses available on the map.

10 seems way too much to me and would be a massive gamechanger - especially for 1v1 (worse with fog).

However, I would be willing to try 7 for 4 as a compromise.

by **iancanton** on Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:15 am

lostatlimbo wrote:However, I would be willing to try 7 for 4 as a compromise.

fair enough. let's give it a go!

ian.

by **danryan** on Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:56 am

I was critical of the graphics previously but these are much improved. Well done!

by **lostatlimbo** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:15 am

Here we go...

Version 45:

Graphic revision & increased rose/brew bonus (to 7 for 4).

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by **thenobodies80** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:00 pm

Sorry, you need to be patient. Actually we can't upload maps for a week or so. Just letting you know.

Btw the tree should stay behind the NW Bike path imo.

by **lostatlimbo** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:53 pm

I wasn't being impatient. I just finally made an update and was saying it was ready now.

by **thenobodies80** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:11 pm

I wasn't saying that you were impatient. Sorry if I gave you that impression O:)

Just saying you in advance to not leave you to wait for a while without a reason.

by **Chariot of Fire** on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:15 pm

Looks good limbo and has come on a long way, well done.
Is it possible to see how it looks with troop numbers on it (or will that come later)?
Only amendment I might consider is to change the colour of the Downtown place names (maybe red?) as right now they are too similar to the background. They're still legible though, so it's no biggie. The contrast of the NE lettering is excellent. Very sharp, very neat. Nice one.

by **lostatlimbo** on Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:48 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Looks good limbo and has come on a long way, well done.
Is it possible to see how it looks with troop numbers on it (or will that come later)?
Only amendment I might consider is to change the colour of the Downtown place names (maybe red?) as right now they are too similar to the background. They're still legible though, so it's no biggie. The contrast of the NE lettering is excellent. Very sharp, very neat. Nice one.

Thanks!

If you are referring to the MAX windows clarity issue, I took a screenshot of the XML Wizard. It looks better to me (though I didn't have issue with them before).

If this doesn't improve the matter, the other option is to move the troop numbers on to the white part of the MAX.

I tried red for Downtown and it doesn't look very good (and is too close to SE). Instead though, I lightened the background for a little more clarity there. I also played with the font alias settings for the territory labels and they should all be super crisp and clear with the next update.

by **lostatlimbo** on Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:51 am

Version 46:
Cleaned up font aliases and lightened Downtown background...
#1

Click image to enlarge.

OR

#2
Played around with the pattern of the "industrial" areas of the map. Is this cheesy?

Click image to enlarge.

by **thenobodies80** on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:52 am

lostatlimbo wrote:Version 45:
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http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q102/lostatlimbo/Portland-Map_flattened_small-3.png

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I've sent these files to the turtle.

by **lostatlimbo** on Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:14 pm

Thanks!

by **Chariot of Fire** on Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:40 pm

Not sure how others feel, but the textured background of Industrial looks really good (and in keeping with the other areas).

Great job. Thanks for all your tireless efforts on this.

by **lostatlimbo** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:30 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Not sure how others feel, but the textured background of Industrial looks really good (and in keeping with the other areas).

Great job. Thanks for all your tireless efforts on this.

Thanks. I assume you mean version #2 from above?

by **J_Indr** on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:33 pm

I am not sure whether this is always absolutely obvious to everybody who plays this map. But, would it be possible to make it even more graphically clearer that Beaverton, Expo Center and Mount Tabor are accessible from one side of the track only?

Either make some arrow, slightly branch out the MAX line into the neighbourhood and have the stop on the branch, or make the one-side stop trains differently coloured.

The legend says "Board and exit Stops via connecting neighborhoods..." but I just think it is not 100% obvious which ones these are.

Also, do you think you could remove the leaves from the bottom-right area of Forest Park? I know that the legend does not list them as impassables, but the graphics might suggest that there is no connection between Forest Park and Nob Hill (and, actually, Sylvan Heights).

What do others think?