Portland [Quenched]

[lostatlimbo]

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[lostatlimbo]

*crickets*

[That One Guy]

I just finished playing (and won, I might add) an 8 person game with nuke and trench on your map! (8 player game with nuke resulted in entire areas of portland being uninhabited for rounds on end) And overall, I thought that the flow and balance of the map was pretty great, it seems to me to be at the level of the 'official' or un-beta maps.

I guess the only note I have to make is that the bonuses for the rose/beer gardens didn't come into play at all until the game was already won. I'm not sure there's any way to change this, but maybe there could be smaller bonuses for holding 2 or 3 beer/rose gardens? like +1 army for 2, +4 for 3? Or something along those lines; I'm not exactly sure but all I know is that it was too hard to get and hold all 4 of one type of garden, all spread out across the map.

The only other thing I'm not exactly sure of, (and I'm sorry if this has been addressed before) but the bike trails count as killer neutrals, right? According to Rules>Game Options, in trench games you should be able to attack through killer neutrals, but I don't think I could do this on this map? I'm not positive on that, but that may be an issue unless you know for sure that it's not.

Thank you for the time you've spent developing and perfecting this map, I really enjoyed it and I'm sure many more people who don't post it here do as well.

[iancanton]

thanks for ur post. this kind of constructive feedback is very helpful during beta.

I guess the only note I have to make is that the bonuses for the rose/beer gardens didn't come into play at all until the game was already won. I'm not sure there's any way to change this, but maybe there could be smaller bonuses for holding 2 or 3 beer/rose gardens? like +1 army for 2, +4 for 3? Or something along those lines; I'm not exactly sure but all I know is that it was too hard to get and hold all 4 of one type of garden, all spread out across the map.

if u start a new game now, then u'll find that something has changed: in 5-player to 8-player games, the roses and beers are randomly-allocated, not neutral, so that at least one player is likely to start with at least 2 roses or beers, which means the +7 reward might be tempting.

The only other thing I'm not exactly sure of, (and I'm sorry if this has been addressed before) but the bike trails count as killer neutrals, right? According to Rules>Game Options, in trench games you should be able to attack through killer neutrals, but I don't think I could do this on this map? I'm not positive on that, but that may be an issue unless you know for sure that it's not.

if u find that u really can't attack thru two bike lane regions to reach the region beyond it, then it's a bug and not something specific to this map, though there aren't many maps where u need to go thru two consecutive killer neutrals. try raising it in the bug reports forum as a new topic if it's still troubling u.

viewforum.php?f=506

Thank you for the time you've spent developing and perfecting this map, I really enjoyed it and I'm sure many more people who don't post it here do as well.

lostatlimbo will be glad to hear that. he's spent years on this project!

ian.

[lostatlimbo]

Yes, that's very nice to hear. Thanks for your comments.

Thanks Ian for the explanation.

Anything else I can do to wrap this up and get it finalized?

[thenobodies80]

No, I'm waiting an answer about a thing (not directly related with your map).
As soon as I receive it I will quench some maps, also this one.

Nobodies

[IcePack]

No, I'm waiting an answer about a thing (not directly related with your map).
As soon as I receive it I will quench some maps, also this one.

Nobodies

I'd love to see the maps that are ready be quenched, Portland, Salem and others have been ready / in beta for awhile. If its not directly related to the maps, quench the ones that can be quenched.

IcePack

[IcePack]

[thenobodies80]

Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Portland Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations lostatlimbo, your shiny new medal is well-earned


Conquer Club, enjoy!

thenobodies80

[nolefan5311]

Congrats lostatlimbo!

[flexmaster33]

Hurray...this is already in my regular rotation, but congrats. I love the city maps in general...especially seeing my city on here.

[koontz1973]

Nice one lostatlimbo.

[lostatlimbo]

Hooray! That was a long time coming. :)

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this map - all the support and the criticism - and especially those that took the time to help me develop the awkward, clunky map I started with into what it is now.

[cairnswk]

Congrats on the Quench lostatlimbo

[isaiah40]

Congratulations!!

[lostatlimbo]

Looks like the final version still had "reservoirs" spelled incorrectly. Oops! Any chance this can still be updated? Nothing else about the map changed - just corrected the typo.

Portland.xml

Click image to enlarge.

[ham and cheese]

I'm an OHSU grad student ... awesome!

[iAmCaffeine]

Sorry, but how did this get a graphics stamp?

[koontz1973]

Sorry, but how did this get a graphics stamp?

Why would it not get the stamp? What in your opinion is wrong with it?

[iAmCaffeine]

Sorry, but how did this get a graphics stamp?

Why would it not get the stamp? What in your opinion is wrong with it?

Such a low standard, it doesn't stand up to any of the current maps, apart from Philadelphia but that's not saying much.

[Chariot of Fire]

it doesn't stand up to any of the current maps

Vive la difference!

I rather like it - not too garish, crisp/clean delineation. Beats London (a city deserving of a much better map) hands down.

[koontz1973]

Sorry, but how did this get a graphics stamp?

Why would it not get the stamp? What in your opinion is wrong with it?

Such a low standard, it doesn't stand up to any of the current maps, apart from Philadelphia but that's not saying much.

OK, but again, what is wrong with it?

Considering this one had longer than normal in the foundry and also a long beta, it might come down to a lesson learned.

Comment early, see changes made, comment late, see them ignored by map makers.

iAmCaffeine, been noticing you a lot lately over in #GCCM thread , this was the whole point of it. To get payers like you here commenting on the maps. But it would be nice to get you commenting on maps whilst they are being made.

[iAmCaffeine]

Sorry, but how did this get a graphics stamp?

Why would it not get the stamp? What in your opinion is wrong with it?

Such a low standard, it doesn't stand up to any of the current maps, apart from Philadelphia but that's not saying much.

OK, but again, what is wrong with it?

Considering this one had longer than normal in the foundry and also a long beta, it might come down to a lesson learned.

Comment early, see changes made, comment late, see them ignored by map makers.

iAmCaffeine, been noticing you a lot lately over in #GCCM thread , this was the whole point of it. To get payers like you here commenting on the maps. But it would be nice to get you commenting on maps whilst they are being made.

I did a little on Alaska but I'm struggling to find time for the forums at the moment. I didn't expect any changes to happen here, I just played it and thought it was terrible. The worst part is the map title on the left, by a mile.

Also CoF, agreed regarding London.

[lostatlimbo]

I don't understand why opinions about this map are so derisive. There are a lot of great maps (both in terms of graphics and gameplay), but most look like they were made by a 12 year old in MS Paint. I get that the aesthetic is different than the majority of maps, but at least its clean and crisp and bright and it has some unique gameplay attributes. I'll never understand the majority preference for dark, choppy maps with identical gameplay, but to each their own I suppose. I'm a bit disappointed that Portland got skipped over for bot games.

Btw, the map title you hate is an iconic sign in downtown Portland. Everything on the map has a direct, notable relation to the city.

[iAmCaffeine]

The comments aren't so much directed at you as they are the cartographers, at least mine are. It's pointless now though.

It will have been overlooked for bot games because of the killer neutrals; only basic gameplay maps can be used with bots.