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by **Ace Rimmer** on Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:58 pm

The docks aren't an issue, just the fact that you start with 13. However you get it down to 11 would be good, right now there's too much of a first-turn advantage. In my sole Atlantis game so far (Game 6454753), my partner had fantastic dice and knocked the next guy down to 10, since then we've been firmly in control.

Jake

by **Premier2k** on Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:25 am

There is a def advantage dropping the docks. I'm going to make a small modification over the weekend and start them as neutral. I'll post the link when I'm done.

Premier2k

by **Gilligan** on Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:01 am

I really thought Euclid was a port... Can we perhaps move that sentence elsewhere to avoid confusion?

by **ender516** on Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:08 pm

Gilligan wrote:I really thought Euclid was a port... Can we perhaps move that sentence elsewhere to avoid confusion?

Well, there was quite a lot of work done on the legend, but this is what Beta is for. Swapping the boat and port statments would likely fix this.

by **MrBenn** on Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:11 pm

ender516 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:I really thought Euclid was a port... Can we perhaps move that sentence elsewhere to avoid confusion?

Well, there was quite a lot of work done on the legend, but this is what Beta is for. Swapping the boat and port statments would likely fix this.

So too would aligning the symbols to the right of the text...

by **ender516** on Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:22 pm

MrBenn wrote:
ender516 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:I really thought Euclid was a port... Can we perhaps move that sentence elsewhere to avoid confusion?

Well, there was quite a lot of work done on the legend, but this is what Beta is for. Swapping the boat and port statments would likely fix this.

So too would aligning the symbols to the right of the text...

I believe that was tried and found wanting. Having the symbol close to the word (the subject in each sentence) ties them together better.

by **Arachnophobia** on Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:45 am

I just finished playing my first game on this map (lost

) and I didnt quite understand what "Ports and boats cannot assault like territories" means. Dunno if that was said before. The legend text should be self-evident, which it isnt (it seems to me). Either im too stupid or it should be clarified. Im pretty sure if someone explains it to me, I'll go "oooh of course!" ^^

by **ender516** on Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:30 pm

Arachnophobia wrote:I just finished playing my first game on this map (lost ) and I didnt quite understand what "Ports and boats cannot assault like territories" means. Dunno if that was said before. The legend text should be self-evident, which it isnt (it seems to me). Either im too stupid or it should be clarified. Im pretty sure if someone explains it to me, I'll go "oooh of course!" ^^

It means ports cannot attack other ports and boats cannot attack other boats. Here, "like" means "similar" or "of the same class". Don't read it here as "as". Boats do attack ports just as an adjacenct territory can, and ports do attack boats as a territory might, but port territories are the only ones adjacent to the boats.

by **Premier2k** on Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:02 pm

ender516 wrote:
Arachnophobia wrote:I just finished playing my first game on this map (lost ) and I didnt quite understand what "Ports and boats cannot assault like territories" means. Dunno if that was said before. The legend text should be self-evident, which it isnt (it seems to me). Either im too stupid or it should be clarified. Im pretty sure if someone explains it to me, I'll go "oooh of course!" ^^

It means ports cannot attack other ports and boats cannot attack other boats. Here, "like" means "similar" or "of the same class". Don't read it here as "as". Boats do attack ports just as an adjacenct territory can, and ports do attack boats as a territory might, but port territories are the only ones adjacent to the boats.

Yep, What he said!

Premier2k

by **Arachnophobia** on Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:16 pm

aaah so the "like" is not a comparatitve like but a "same type" like. Thats pretty counter-intuitive, as it uses a more obscure meaning of the word "like", and most of all, it is redundant. Territory borders are either visible borders on the map or are declared (in a positivist sense). Thats what happened with the non-visible borders between any port and any boat.
To clarify it, you could do "A Port can attack any boat, but no other port" and alike for the boat declaration and leave out that confusing sentence. That way, the legend is shorter and more precise and understandable.

That said, I really like the map. I will definately play it again ^^

by **MrBenn** on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:14 pm

Arachnophobia wrote:aaah so the "like" is not a comparatitve like but a "same type" like. Thats pretty counter-intuitive, as it uses a more obscure meaning of the word "like", and most of all, it is redundant. Territory borders are either visible borders on the map or are declared (in a positivist sense). Thats what happened with the non-visible borders between any port and any boat.
To clarify it, you could do "A Port can attack any boat, but no other port" and alike for the boat declaration and leave out that confusing sentence. That way, the legend is shorter and more precise and understandable.

That said, I really like the map. I will definately play it again ^^

That's not a bad suggestion...

by **Premier2k** on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:01 pm

That's quite a good suggestion actually! I'll get Nem to make some changes.
I still need to make a slight modification to the XML which I'm hoping to do over the next couple of days.

by **ender516** on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:11 am

Premier2k wrote:That's quite a good suggestion actually! I'll get Nem to make some changes.
I still need to make a slight modification to the XML which I'm hoping to do over the next couple of days.

What are you planning to change in the XML?

by **army of nobunaga** on Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:12 pm

This is the first map I think Ive ever found the thread to type something negative about. Mainly because I like almost ALL maps. I like Variety and almost have a win or few on every single map.

But I dont like this one.

This is maybe the 3rd time ive played the map.

Game 6522307

And the map layout, just isn't fun. I like the general Idea and I think it could be adjusted for better play.

Negatives
1) When does the inner rings ever become a factor? In like 3 games now, we all just go in a circle on the outside circle... even on esc!
2) There are choke points all over the place. I know, not in theory there shouldnt be, but in real play there are.

Positives
1) theme
2) simple nice colored artwork, well done

things that need to be improved.... well make the inner rings even a real option. I know you aer saying they come into play in no spoils... but theywhole map should at least be part of the play on every setting. At least in my opinion.

Maybe a map feeder system like in Jamaica... lower the neutrals... i dunno.

I do know as it stands ill get my one win here and never play it again.

thanx

by **army of nobunaga** on Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:08 pm

I guess what Im suggesting, Is this should not be like the Oasis... The inner rings should NOT be so damn hard to get too.. you cant fight other people at your back AND expand over high neutrals. Jsut lower the bonus of the inner rings a bit and drop those neutrals down to 1 and 2's ... I really think It would add a "scramble" factor to the map rather than us all going in a big ass circle around the outside through choke points. I wish you would try this for like 3 days and play it, I have a feeling that with the depth this map has in gameplay it could be one of the best.