WWII:Poland [Quenched]

[Ruben Cassar]

Besides, it helps to remind folks of just what the USA did to that flag.
We tore it down, stomped it with our big boot, and then pissed on it for good measure.
The countries of the world need to be reminded of this more, not less often.

Errr...I guess you mean Great Britain?

When Germany invaded Poland the USA was neutral, and it would be two long years before the Americans entered the war leaving Great Britain to do it alone.

Great Britain lost its Empire to defend Europe while America became a super power. Also I seriously doubt Germany would have lost the war were it not for the USSR attacking it from the East after the Germans broke the pact.

On the swastika issue...I guess we should abide with the rules issued by the CC admin, although I am sure most people don't find it offensive in any way. It's part of history now.

[Qwert]

I must say that you with all these restriction for swastika,present flag of German from WWI,
These is apsurd,and i hope that you fix these very big mistake.
You put correct flags of USSR Slovak republic,and Polish Republic.
These is historical map,and i dont see why now you must create incorect Things on these map? Im from Serbia and mine country lost 1,5 milion people in WWII, but when i create maps with WWII themes, i realised that these is historical maps,and that things must be correct, othervise will be pointles to create any Historical maps from WWII,when you are restricted to use any symbols from german side. Map maker attempt its not to glorify Germany.Dont forget USSR whas Ally of Germany in Attack on Poland.
I have one detail-in Kragujevac Germans kill 7000 people,but after war they shoot movie for these event and use German flags.
Everybody knows that Germans not create swastica symbol.Even i whas supprised that Arheologicall place in Serbia(vrsac-middle bronze age),have in museum,Artifacts and figures with Swastica(from 2000-1500 BC)

[nagerous]

It seems daft that you can't post the swastika on this map, when Stalin's image was going to be the backdrop for the present Soviet Union flag for a very long time, until it was pioneered that it should be changed to Lenin and not Stalin. If Stalin was going to have his face on CC maps then why can't the swastika be used?

Besides that, keep up the good work, I originally started reading the thread because I very much like the look of this map.
Also, the sentence in the top right hand corner is gramatically incorrect, it should either say 'This was soon followed by the' or 'Soon followed the' or just put it all in one sentence and remove the full stop.

[AndyDufresne]

This map can be a great one without the use of a Swastika. If it not having one will keep you from enjoying this map fully, you need to rethink your outlook on things.


--Andy

[nagerous]

It's true. I am a disturbed individual.

[Qwert]

by AndyDufresne » Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:27 pm

This map can be a great one without the use of a Swastika. If it not having one will keep you from enjoying this map fully, you need to rethink your outlook on things.

Im confused? You want to tell that its ok to use flag of German Empire instead to use flag of German Reich?
Well these is not mine map, and its good that i dont have these censure, otherwise i will abandoned all mine project who covers WWII campaing. I will newer create something what is wrong. Well these is mine last post in these topic.

[Teflon Kris]

If we are going to ban the german flag then we should ban the american one - they have killed more innocent people historically (and in recent memory need I remind you).

[nagerous]

If we are going to ban the german flag then we should ban the american one - they have killed more innocent people historically (and in recent memory need I remind you).

They didn't exactly organise a mass genocide though

[samuelc812]

Please guys if you're going to post in this thread, gameplay is the topic being discussed.

It has already been established that the Swastika will NOT be used, so please let us drop it and get back to making this map great.

Thanks,
samuelc812

[Qwert]

It has already been established that the Swastika will NOT be used, so please let us drop it and get back to making this map great.

Then you need to find another option,because flag of german empire its not suitabile for these map.

[samuelc812]

Well these is mine last post in these topic.

Ok qwert thanks for your advice on the flag, i did take onboard your advice and i am working to get the proper flag on the map

Thanks,
samuelc812

[cairnswk]

Click image to enlarge.

Sam. continued nice development.
I am a little concerned about the gameplay.
You have 8 starting points which (and forgive me if i have got this incorrect) can't be attacked because of the imapssable wire, but they can attack one-way outwardly.
Does this mean that each starter can't be eliminated? Or am i missing something.
If so, you could have another "Das Schloss" on your hands.

[samuelc812]

Click image to enlarge.

Sam. continued nice development.
I am a little concerned about the gameplay.
You have 8 starting points which (and forgive me if i have got this incorrect) can't be attacked because of the imapssable wire, but they can attack one-way outwardly.
Does this mean that each starter can't be eliminated? Or am i missing something.
If so, you could have another "Das Schloss" on your hands.

Thanks for commenting cairnswk

The Polish Air Force (P.A.F) in the centre of poland is the only way to attack Commenders outside of Poland, you must get to the P.A.F before you can eliminate somebody It's explained in the Legend up the top

[cairnswk]

....
The Polish Air Force (P.A.F) in the centre of poland is the only way to attack Commenders outside of Poland, you must get to the P.A.F before you can eliminate somebody It's explained in the Legend up the top

didn't make the connection.

[Teflon Kris]

The PAF is the clearly the essential territory on this map.

In my opinion that would make for a gameplay style which isn't present on many maps. A great feature.

This would be a good map in fog of war, where the planes and tanks become key territories to clear a bit of fog. Nice.

Maybe worth editing the test about autodeploy to "Each Commander" - some players might think you have to hold all ten for the +3 (although they'd realise it is for each on their first go)?

The tricky thing to work out is whether the neutral values are ok so that the starting positions aren't too dissimilar to be able to advance from - it seems fine at first glance though.

[LED ZEPPELINER]

does edward attack so4 and pco3, or just pco3

[killerpit4e]

hey sam i will do the xml for the map for ya

[owenshooter]

i appreciate the change of the older german emblems to the cross... nice move. looking very good.-0

[Joodoo]

I think there should be other methods to bombard/attack the commander (ex.include an objective)

[captainwalrus]

I think there should be other methods to bombard/attack the commander (ex.include an objective)

There are 14 territories that can attack the commander so I think that is enough.

I think the bonus for the commander should be a little less though, perhaps +4, and it should be aoutodeploy. This makes it slightly less valuable, but still key. Also, the bonus should be auto-deploy, it just seems to make more scence.






~Mr. Walrus

[Joodoo]

I think there should be other methods to bombard/attack the commander (ex.include an objective)

There are 14 territories that can attack the commander so I think that is enough.

I think the bonus for the commander should be a little less though, perhaps +4, and it should be aoutodeploy. This makes it slightly less valuable, but still key. Also, the bonus should be auto-deploy, it just seems to make more scence.






~Mr. Walrus

sry, I meant the non-Polish commanders

[captainwalrus]

Like that the P.A.F is the only way to attack other commanders. IT makes it so people are forced to try and take the treacherous trip into Poland and risk losing a lot.



~ Mr.Walrus

[samuelc812]

does edward attack so4 and pco3, or just pco3

Just PC03, do you think it is too unclear?

I think there should be other methods to bombard/attack the commander (ex.include an objective)

As has already been discussed, it needs to be appealing to make the advance into Poland, if planes could bombard/attack Polish Commanders than i doubt anyone would ever get into Poland

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RE: German Flag Concerns

I have looked around and the Nazi Swastika is the National Flag of Germany during this attack, since we can't use the swastika, this map will have to be rendered historically inaccurate, but that's life. The following flags are the other options available, I have set up a poll, please vote

Also if you are a WWII expert or German expert and you know of a flag i can't find, please let me know

Option A: Imperial German Flag WWI

Option B: German National Flag 1933 - 1935

Option C: National Flag of Germany : The C-Pennant 1946-1949
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Germany_(1946-1949).svg
Option D: German National Flag 1949 - present

[thenobodies80]

I suppose you could use the symbol that the nazi-german troops had on the vehicles.
So, you can be historically accurate

http://www.modellismopiu.it/UserFiles/Image/AnteprimeArticoli/ant_275.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2199/bf7bn9.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/8757/PZ2.jpg

TNBDS

[Qwert]

here me again,you can use Symbol of Wermacht(German Army during WWII),but then you need to change ,and that instead Flags Use Military Symbols of Soviet Union,Poland,Slovakia,because these will be correct.
For now your choices to people vote,its a little Insulting,because you use present FlaG of Germany(if im a german these will be very insulting for me now)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wermacht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Army