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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby resitnecdan on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:34 pm

MrBenn wrote:
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resitnecdan wrote:Just a reply about the Romanian territory names. If you want to use Romanian names (like I see you did for some of the countries) please use:
Crişana and not Criaşna
Transilvania and not Transylvania
Moldova and not Moldavia


I can correct the name of Crisana on the map image easily enough.
I'll also rename Transylvania, but I'm not too sure about Moldavia...

I'm thinking it would be better to leave Moldavia in order to differentiate between the Moldova region of Romania and Moldova the country...


Well since you don't have the country of Moldova on the map I don't see the possibility of confusion. I really see the current name of Moldavia sticking right out there on the map. But it might just be my patriotism talking :D
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:24 pm

resitnecdan wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
resitnecdan wrote:Just a reply about the Romanian territory names. If you want to use Romanian names (like I see you did for some of the countries) please use:
Crişana and not Criaşna
Transilvania and not Transylvania
Moldova and not Moldavia


I can correct the name of Crisana on the map image easily enough.
I'll also rename Transylvania, but I'm not too sure about Moldavia...

I'm thinking it would be better to leave Moldavia in order to differentiate between the Moldova region of Romania and Moldova the country...


Well since you don't have the country of Moldova on the map I don't see the possibility of confusion. I really see the current name of Moldavia sticking right out there on the map. But it might just be my patriotism talking :D

I'm sure I had Moldova on the map? Perhaps I took it off when I cropped more closely to Romania? In that case, I shall amend all three... I might even do it this evening!
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby resitnecdan on Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:13 pm

There's not much point in putting Moldova in a Balkan Peninsula map anyway. Actually, according to many, Romania isn't in the Balkans either.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:30 am

resitnecdan wrote:There's not much point in putting Moldova in a Balkan Peninsula map anyway. Actually, according to many, Romania isn't in the Balkans either.
I was referring to a label for Moldova (the country) in the unplayable grey area, which was there in some of the earlier drafts.

Anyway, here are the updated map images:

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And here is the updated XML:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/9/2259283/Balkans04.xml
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby J.Law on Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:05 pm

Great Map! Everything was very clear and well organized. I played with 5 others and it proved to be a great map to play with a mid/large size number of people.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby iancanton on Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:16 pm

we've solved the 18-region starts, but not the 2-region bosnia bonus. the last 20 completed automatic-deploy standard 1v1 games that i examined (Game 8577035to Game 8595150 had 3 such cases, with the bosnia player winning in all 3 games. while the odd +1 bosnia bonus being dropped doesn't make the map unfair on its own, there is a very simple fix that requires only minimal adjustment to the xml and no adjustment to the graphics files.

there are currently 3 sets of start positions, which i list below. note that none includes a bosnia region.

set 1: primorska, shkoder, skopje, kirklareli, muntenia.
set 2: kranjska, tirana, pelagonia, tekirdag, dubrovnik.
set 3: stajerska, fier, vardar, istanbul, raska.

i recommend changing to 2 sets of start positions.

set 1: primorska, shkoder, skopje, kirklareli, republika srpska.
set 2: delete.
set 3: stajerska, fier, vardar, istanbul, fbih.

this will allot 1 bosnia region (plus 18 others, making a total of 19) to each player in 1v1, with the start positions being ignored for games with 3 to 8 players.

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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:32 pm

The proposed fix for the Bosnia bonus has no impact on 3-player games, which massively increases the chance of dropping a bonus on a 3-player game.

I've just done some very quick analysis of the 1v1 games covering the gamespan you mentioned above (although included all 1v1 gametypes)... In any case, 21/28 (75%) of cases, the first player to attack won the game. 5 of the 28 games (17%) started with the first player holding the Bosnia bonus (in line with the 16.8% that was calculated by my bonus calculator spreadsheet). Of the seven games where the first player lost the game, I would suggest in at least 2 games (28%) this was due to poor tactics early on in the game (ie attacking neutrals in the first couple of rounds). I forgot to observe how many of the players attacked FBIH or Republika Srpska on the opening turn, but recall seeing at least one or two (and actually think this would be slightly higher)...

Anyway, I'm still firmly in the camp that would suggest a +1 bonus that may be dropped in around 16% of cases has minimal impact, and I'd rather not increase the odds of dropping a bonus on 3p games as a tradeoff....

Anyway, here's my rough analysis of the 28 1v1 games:
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby Ace Rimmer on Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:20 pm

I don't like the legend. Kosovo is a +1 by itself, and is required for the +5 Serbia bonus. I read the legend as saying you get the +5 and the +1, not just the +5. I'm not sure how that should be spelled out better without taking up a lot of space. Maybe "Kosovo +1 if held without Serbia bonus" but that's long.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:52 pm

jakewilliams wrote:I don't like the legend. Kosovo is a +1 by itself, and is required for the +5 Serbia bonus. I read the legend as saying you get the +5 and the +1, not just the +5. I'm not sure how that should be spelled out better without taking up a lot of space. Maybe "Kosovo +1 if held without Serbia bonus" but that's long.

The bonus name in the XML is something like "Serbia (and Kosovo)". I'd rather not change anything now, to be honest, unless it was completely incomprehensible?
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:47 pm

MrBenn wrote:
jakewilliams wrote:I don't like the legend. Kosovo is a +1 by itself, and is required for the +5 Serbia bonus. I read the legend as saying you get the +5 and the +1, not just the +5. I'm not sure how that should be spelled out better without taking up a lot of space. Maybe "Kosovo +1 if held without Serbia bonus" but that's long.

The bonus name in the XML is something like "Serbia (and Kosovo)". I'd rather not change anything now, to be honest, unless it was completely incomprehensible?


I don't think it is incomprehensible and currently it's hard to me to think about it like a real issue.

Just a thought (and maybe is a stupid idea) but add something like (only kosovo +1)?
Said that, I must admit that i don't know how you can fit it into the map.... :-k
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby iancanton on Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:51 am

thanks for redrawing the danube and balancing the greece bonus against the romanian one.

MrBenn wrote:The proposed fix for the Bosnia bonus has no impact on 3-player games, which massively increases the chance of dropping a bonus on a 3-player game.

the analysis u gave above is convincing!

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jakewilliams wrote:I don't like the legend. Kosovo is a +1 by itself, and is required for the +5 Serbia bonus. I read the legend as saying you get the +5 and the +1, not just the +5. I'm not sure how that should be spelled out better without taking up a lot of space. Maybe "Kosovo +1 if held without Serbia bonus" but that's long.

The bonus name in the XML is something like "Serbia (and Kosovo)". I'd rather not change anything now, to be honest, unless it was completely incomprehensible?

it's not completely incomprehensible. let's see if anyone else mentions it. u can try indenting kosovo in the legend a bit - solar system does this - though it won't look as good with those brackets too.

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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby DJENRE on Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:34 am

Nice map. But I don't know why, I'm not able to win it yet... lol

You should receive a pm about MapMaker Killer serie, let me know if you interested in being added.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=137470
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:06 am

              Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Balkan Peninsula Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations MrBenn and ZeakCytho, your shiny new medals are well-earned =D>


Conquer Club, enjoy!
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby natty dread on Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:12 am

Congrats! =D>
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby Riskismy on Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:15 am

Yay! Grats!
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:26 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
              Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Balkan Peninsula Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations MrBenn and ZeakCytho, your shiny new medals are well-earned =D>


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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:08 am

And another one's gone and another one's gone - ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST. :P ;)

'grats to MrBenn and ZeakCytho - this is one of my favorite maps :D
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:11 pm

OK I know I am late to the party... but looking at this map today TranSILvania is still mispelled... Where is my Y!
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:17 pm

Bruceswar wrote:OK I know I am late to the party... but looking at this map today TranSILvania is still mispelled... Where is my Y!


I think it's in Romanian ;) --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby dakky21 on Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:29 pm

And I am also late but there is an island of Krk incorrectly marked as a part of land territory in Istra, Croatia.
I mean it is an island, not peninsula, like it appears on the map.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby greenoaks on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:21 am

should the 1st post have a quenched stamp to go with the other stamps just like the other maps have ?
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:44 am

I mean, the stamp is in the thread, it really doesn't have be in the first post.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby greenoaks on Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:45 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:I mean, the stamp is in the thread, it really doesn't have be in the first post.

what's wrong with consistency
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby natty dread on Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:50 am

What's wrong with not nitpicking on stamp placement for maps that are already quenched...
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

Postby dinozi on Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:02 pm

You need to make the four regions of Bosnia.
View "map four economic regions".
You did good job with others, only Bosnia and Herzegovina was different.
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