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Re: Native America

Postby ghirrindin on Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:52 am

The map looks great, but if you're aiming for accuracy, it's going to be hard, especially for the year 1500. Many of the names you gave Indian groups were given by Europeans when they encountered and/or learned about them, which happened much later than 1500. Names like "Crow" "Blackfeet" "Nez Perce" and "Pawnee" that don't have their origins in a native language reflect this. I don't know how to resolve this, but it's just an observation. I guess my point is it seems like you're trying to depict the continent before the sustained impact of white people, empires, and modern nations, and so the name thing might get in the way. It might not be important to you however.

Some of the groups in 1500 didn't occupy the areas where you have them. The Comanche are a Shoshone-related group that immigrated to the southern plains in the 1700s to take advantage of the buffalo economy. The Choctaws weren't really an entity until after 1500, and the Seminoles weren't around until well into the 18th century. These are only a few examples. It might take a little research.

I like the idea.

Long-ranging sea routes will be hard, REAL hard for 1500.

By the way, I think you mean the "Flatheads" and not the "Flatfeet." They weren't infamous for being a clumsy, awkwardly-moving people. :lol:
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Re: Native America

Postby miniwally on Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:24 am

When did the spanish go to America?
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Re: Native America

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:59 am

Well Tisha I will save my comments as you know what I think already. With that said, I cannot wait to see this in action!
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Re: Native America

Postby gimil on Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:38 pm

Tisha! Your skills have evolved a whole bunch since the last time you wandered the halls of the foundry. You have definetly created a really nice parchment feel to this map!

I will definetly be keeping an eye on your progress through the foundry this time round!
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Re: Native America

Postby Risky_Stud on Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:21 am

AWESOME MAP, TISHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Native America

Postby hiddendragon on Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:39 am

Tisha wrote:just wanna put this out there..
i still have a lot i wanna do, but felt like posting it

the whole east side of the mouth of the Mississippi is a mess...
suggestions for a name would be nice also

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East of the mississippi there were confederations of tribes. You should use the confederate names on account of the many various tribes that made up the differernt nations there. I believe that the Seminoles were one of the few tribe not involved in any federation but most east coast tribes were involved in one.

I'm just glad you recognized my tribe, Nez Perce.
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Re: Native America

Postby Tisha on Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:17 am

Native America

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-I'm still working on names of territories, and probably will be for quite a while.. any information there helps..
-I added some sea routes.
-I took a territory out of the east of the Mississippi, and added one to MesoAmerica.
-I darkened a couple of the lands to make them easier to tell apart.
-I would like the rivers to be not passable, so I made them more noticeable. I also changed the flow of one of the rivers so i could use it as a border.

i'm not sure what to do about the time colored islands, like the one just south of Netsilik

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Re: Native America

Postby miniwally on Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:11 am

i'll repeat what date did spanish go to america?
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Re: Native America

Postby Joodoo on Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:46 am

1.What does the territory on Victoria Island belong to? Is it a separate territory itself?
2.What does the territory on Southampton Island belong to? Is it a separate territory itself?
I don't think Newfoundland should touch Labrador on the map. A sea route to connect them might be better.
The territories of several continents are quite interesting. They're separated from the main territories of their continent (kinda reminds me of Kansas in American Civil War and Kaliningrad in Europa) :D
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Re: Native America

Postby Risky_Stud on Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:14 am

miniwally wrote:i'll repeat what date did spanish go to america?




kind of a strange question for this thread.
And if you wanna know so bad, then google
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Re: Native America

Postby oaktown on Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:33 am

great start for a map - this idea has surfaced a few times in the past but has never had decent graphics to back it up.

Is the river (mississippi) impassable? because if so, it cuts the ap almost in half. Seems unrealistic to have to go nearly to Canada to get across. At least one crossing is necessary. To go from Choctaw to its geographical neighbor natchez requires conquering 12 territories.

I agree that the top of the map will be a wasteland to begin the game, and geographically it doesn't make sense that the arctic would be the most valuable region. Mexico has two of the largest pre-columbian civilizations and it is worth 1, while the Arctic has 27 words for snow and is worth 8? ;)

The polar region remains a bit confusing up in those islands... a few islands have borders drawn through them, so it's hard to know what's what.

Anyway, carry on the great work!
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Re: Native America

Postby Tisha on Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:00 am

The Victoria Island belongs to the Copper River tribe.. I was hoping to bring those together with the army numbers
The Southhampton island I'm not sure what to do with, it's not a territory oif it's own... I was thinking about just deleting the color off of it and leaving it neutral..

only two territories separate from their pack... I would like to put some canoe outline, or something ike that at the base of the Mississippi to connect Natchez and Choctaw
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Re: Native America

Postby miniwally on Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:25 pm

Risky_Stud wrote:
miniwally wrote:i'll repeat what date did spanish go to america?




kind of a strange question for this thread.
And if you wanna know so bad, then google
it yourself.


it;s not cause you might want to include spanish in map
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Re: Native America

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:19 pm

miniwally wrote:
Risky_Stud wrote:
miniwally wrote:i'll repeat what date did spanish go to america?




kind of a strange question for this thread.
And if you wanna know so bad, then google
it yourself.


it;s not cause you might want to include spanish in map


This is Native America. Why would he include the conquistadors?
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Re: Native America

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:50 pm

She.
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