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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Tisha on Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:09 am

sailorseal wrote:Just three quick things because I love this map
1. Get rid of the compass it does not fit with the map
2. Either capitalize the names or don't but don't have it random
3. Add more canoes because that river really divides the map and only one looks odd



i like the compass.... why doesn't it fit?
all the names are capitalized, it's the font i'm using. (that i love)
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Joodoo on Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:13 am

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:beothuk and micmac need to connect also, love the mountains and boats

I find it interesting that two territories belonging to the same continent are not adjacent, as it could slightly alter gameplay...
don't think there's need to connect those two territories
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Tisha on Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:03 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Very nice map indeed Tisha. Well done!

However I must say that I have a big problem with the colours used. It is very hard for me to differentiate between a region and another.

Also would it be possible to have a mini map instead of just listing the various regions?



is it mostly the California Great Basin areas? like between Pomo and Paiute?
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Ruben Cassar on Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:40 pm

Tisha wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Very nice map indeed Tisha. Well done!

However I must say that I have a big problem with the colours used. It is very hard for me to differentiate between a region and another.

Also would it be possible to have a mini map instead of just listing the various regions?



is it mostly the California Great Basin areas? like between Pomo and Paiute?


Unless you did not know I am colour blind so I may be seeing the colours a bit differently. What could help is making the adjacent regions' colours different from each other to help differentiate between them.

I have a problem with more than one region actually. Aren't Pomo and Paiute part of the same region?
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby ustus on Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:55 pm

two other things that bug me:
first, the map looks very very red on my screen, i think it would be easier to read if the saturation of the generally red aura the whole map has was turned down a bit.
Second, the Arctic region looks like it has two terits that aren't connected to the rest of the region: Aluet and Chugachigmiur. I think that no region should have to go through another region to attack a terit that is part of its bonus. Makes it really hard to take that bonus.

though, both of these are deff my personal opinion, so let me know what you think.
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:10 pm

Good map! An interesting project.
Mountains are beautiful.
And the possibilities of developing a great map are very high! :)

I think you have to work a lot on colors, i'm not colorblind but there're some zones that are very difficult to distinguish. :?
For exemple Meso America color is "invisible" in the legend.
Plateau is difficult to find on map.
You have to make more clear some regions....
Where is Eyak and where is tlingit?
What regions Beothuk can attack?
I suggest you to "remove" the northern zone of copper region, make only confusion

Personally i think the legend is very big

You need to balance the game, a good start in the south could be an easy +2 bonus (for meso america) withonly 1 border to defend (coahuiltee)
Rivers make the east zone impenetrable, Mountains do the same in the west part, and there's a big vertical central zone in which seems more difficult to find a quick way to take the dominance during the game.

Any suggestions for bonuses now...

Anyway, your map is one of the best i've seen in the last period.
C'mon! Make really great this map
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Lobster Crush on Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:24 pm

Tisha wrote:
sailorseal wrote:Just three quick things because I love this map
1. Get rid of the compass it does not fit with the map
2. Either capitalize the names or don't but don't have it random
3. Add more canoes because that river really divides the map and only one looks odd



i like the compass.... why doesn't it fit?
all the names are capitalized, it's the font i'm using. (that i love)


That's actually a good point about the compass...I'm pretty sure it was a European invention, and that there wouldn't have been a compass (at least in that style) in pre-European N.A.

However, there definitely was an understanding of the cardinal points of the compass in Native North American culture, with the points of the compass figuring prominently in culture & mythology. Perhaps incorporating a less European-looking compass would work?

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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:38 pm

Tisha wrote:
sailorseal wrote:2. Either capitalize the names or don't but don't have it random

all the names are capitalized, it's the font i'm using. (that i love)



I think sailor is referring to "Hopi". The uppercase "H" just looks like a lower case one, but if you take a look at real lower case "h"s on the map, you can see they are different.
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:11 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
I have a problem with more than one region actually. Aren't Pomo and Paiute part of the same region?


Actually no, those are different regions. I can see the problem though as the background on the mountain range kind of fades down into the California territories. The same mountain background color matches the Paiute region perfectly.
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby ben79 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:21 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Very nice map indeed Tisha. Well done!

However I must say that I have a big problem with the colours used. It is very hard for me to differentiate between a region and another.

Also would it be possible to have a mini map instead of just listing the various regions?



i have to agrre for the colours ( i'm colorblind ) and it's really hard to make a difference between the regions ! a mini-map would help !
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE page 3

Postby ppgangster on Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:46 am

I was about to suggest something about the color... but as everyone already did!

Looks great for a third version though!
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Re: Native America

Postby MrBenn on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:26 am

The tweaks to the rivers makes it clearer that you intend them to be impassable; although the tributary in Iowa still looks a little out of place (my eye wants it to follow the territory border :lol: )

The canoe is a nice touch - perhaps you could consider adding one or two more somewhere??

MrBenn wrote:Some of your colours are very similar (the red/orange and blue/purple), and I think there needs to be a bit more clarity between the regions - which don't all have tentative bonus values yet :lol:

The colour scheme fits the style of the map brilliantly, but is likely to cause real headaches for those with or without imparied colour-vision. A quick way of testing region visibility is to look at the different colour channels and see how easy it is to differentiate the regions. I'm not sure if you wanted to experiment with different sort of hatched markings (like in Berlin 1961) - but this would likely change the feel of the map.

The arctic region still feels disjointed, and I still get a feeling of North-South imbalance from a gameplay perspective :?

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Re: Native America.. UPDATE 04/23

Postby Tisha on Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:03 pm

Native America

72 territories
11 bonus regions

-the mini map added.. but something doesn't seem right with it.. :?
-I'm still working on names of territories, and probably will be for quite a while.. any information there helps..
-less red in background
-more canoes
-changed the border of the river by Iowa

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Re: Native America.. UPDATE 04/23

Postby TaCktiX on Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:31 pm

It's a neat concept with some good potential graphics behind it, but my main concern right now is the size of the bonus regions. No one will hold a +5 or +6 without nearly having the game in hand already, much less +8 and +9. Three regions are of decent enough size to be holdable, but they're all in the west side of the map. Mix the +8 with the +9, then split across the center in some fashion, perhaps. The +6's can easily be split down the middle, and even if that means you're naming it "North [indian tribe]" and "South [indian tribe]", it'll make the map playable.
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Re: Native America.. UPDATE 04/23

Postby Tisha on Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:57 am

why aren't the n. e. and s. e. holdable? they only have four borders..
i don't see what mixing subartic and artic, then splitting them down the center would do :?
the artic and subartic.. i could cut down on the number of territories and and trees for another impassable.. would that fix that?
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