First Nations of North America [Quenched]

[thenobodies80]

i found this one in the bin....probably could help for zones splitting....

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=242&t=22586#p542955

[oaktown]

Hey could you put names in the oceans.
The words and numbers should be in an older looking type
Could you put hawaii in?

re. names of oceans: you mean the names attributed by the Europeans? That wouldn't make sense.
re. font: this one is fine, but you could play around with it.
re. hawaii: I'm not sure the polynesians had much contact with north america - certainly not enough to be waging war across the pacific (or whatever they called that ocean).

[Bruceswar]

Hey could you put names in the oceans.
The words and numbers should be in an older looking type
Could you put hawaii in?

re. names of oceans: you mean the names attributed by the Europeans? That wouldn't make sense.
re. font: this one is fine, but you could play around with it.
re. hawaii: I'm not sure the polynesians had much contact with north america - certainly not enough to be waging war across the pacific (or whatever they called that ocean).

I can see it now.. Those Canoes going cross ocean. LOL

[alexandrois]

HAHAHAaaa good point, but didn't the natice indians have names for the oceans?

[Tisha]

HAHAHAaaa good point, but didn't the natice indians have names for the oceans?

different linguist stocks probably had different names for different bodies of water..

[Elijah S]

Tisha - This is truly an impressive map! The graphics are top-notch and I look forward to seeing this progress soon!
This was my first look at it, as I've been away from the foundry for quite awhile.
Your mountains are great and the parchment gives it a sense of antiguity.
Way to go!

[pamoa]

very nice map
i didn't read all the thread (at all )
but here are some of my comments
if saying river is impassable then you have to add mountains
does the groups of tribes have any "global" name, it should be added to minimap
nimiipuu / salish bonus should be lowered to +1, it's only 2 territories
it would be better if you find a way to put the few diagonal names in horizontal

good work keep going on

[ustus]

very nice map
i didn't read all the thread (at all )
but here are some of my comments
if saying river is impassable then you have to add mountains
does the groups of tribes have any "global" name, it should be added to minimap
nimiipuu / salish bonus should be lowered to +1, it's only 2 territories
it would be better if you find a way to put the few diagonal names in horizontal

good work keep going on

i think sometimes people say some very funny things because they don't read the thread, but when a bunch of ppl don't it gets annoying. You, my apologetic poster, have successfully made an intelligent post without reading the thread. Well done. Here is my response to your comments (and i could be wrong, feel free to tell me if i am):
i thought there were mountains (see calif. area)
i'm not sure what you mean by a global name, could you please elaborate? (though if Tisha understands, then this isn't necessary, sorry)
and if both of those terits can be attacked from outside the bonus area, then i would hope i'd get enough reinforcements to put one on each border, or at least something close! i wouldn't want to hold a bonus area that didn't give me the resources i need to defend it!! (though, personally i always advocate bonus areas that are easy to hold with decently high bonus armies, maybe it's just my play style.

and yeah, i agree, it's great work, keep it up!

[Tisha]

very nice map
i didn't read all the thread (at all )
but here are some of my comments
if saying river is impassable then you have to add mountains
does the groups of tribes have any "global" name, it should be added to minimap
nimiipuu / salish bonus should be lowered to +1, it's only 2 territories
it would be better if you find a way to put the few diagonal names in horizontal

good work keep going on

i think sometimes people say some very funny things because they don't read the thread, but when a bunch of ppl don't it gets annoying. You, my apologetic poster, have successfully made an intelligent post without reading the thread. Well done. Here is my response to your comments (and i could be wrong, feel free to tell me if i am):
i thought there were mountains (see calif. area)
i'm not sure what you mean by a global name, could you please elaborate? (though if Tisha understands, then this isn't necessary, sorry)
and if both of those terits can be attacked from outside the bonus area, then i would hope i'd get enough reinforcements to put one on each border, or at least something close! i wouldn't want to hold a bonus area that didn't give me the resources i need to defend it!! (though, personally i always advocate bonus areas that are easy to hold with decently high bonus armies, maybe it's just my play style.

and yeah, i agree, it's great work, keep it up!

thanks for the posts guys..

he means put mountains in the non-passable part of the map (legend)

i think i understand what he means by global.. like the regions (arctic, subarctic, plains) but it doesn't matter, i don't like the minimap. i have been working with the colors, trying to make them distinguishable..


and i have been told before that the salish bonus should be one because someone might drop it.. how rare would that be?

[Tisha]

this is what png looks like ... why doesn't it even save the right size?

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JPG

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[alexandrois]

Wow great update

[pamoa]

and i have been told before that the salish bonus should be one because someone might drop it.. how rare would that be?

I'm not sure about the numbers but in 2 or 3 players game i think more than 50%

better with list bonus legend
woodlands alone without north-east
can't you find more characteristic names for north-west south-east south-west
and maybe some kind of symbols in front of the names representative the the culture
I miss some native's graphic felling in this map (only my opinion)

I also think you are ready to make a test with "888" army symbols
triple 8 is because of the use of the colour code by a lot of players

[hatchman]

The updated colours look great Tisha. Easier now to distinguish bonus areas.

The trees aren't THAT bad. Kinda cool looking. But then again it's chilly in those north-central areas, so perhaps coniferous (pointy pine thingies) would be more suitable.

And the territory names in the north at least seem to be coming along nicely. They're less Anglo now.

[oaktown]

Looking good... as mentioned above the trees aren't bad, but I suspect you'll do better in time.

There's about a 10% chance of somebody getting the 2-territory region to start the game in a 2 or 3 player game, and around a 6% chance in a 4 player game. In case you were wondering.

In terms of gameplay, I'm still troubled by the sheer size of the Arctic and Sub Arctic regions. Arctic will be impossible to take in most games, since it's not only 13 territories but the easternmost and westernmost territories are nine regions apart... and the region directly south of it won't be much easier. And historically, these would have been the least populated regions of pre-Columbian North America, yet they seem to be among the most densely populated regions of this map with many small regions. If you were to represent every nation as small as the Tunimiut, you'd have to add hundreds of regions to the great plains and both coasts.

When you consider how tough life is up there it makes sense that the Arctic region wouldn't be a source of great military might... I suspect the Tunimiut never enjoyed the same kind of warrior reputation that the Aztecs did. So it shouldn't really be an easy place from which to begin an empire on this map. But from a play perspective you also don't want this to become a dead zone.

Since I've mentioned them twice, I tried to google the Tunimiut. I came up with nothing. ??

You've done a nice job of representing the original names of peoples, but Baffinland sounds like a European name. Again, I googled and came up with Baffinland Inuit, so this would seem to be a nation already represented on the map. And I know, somebody is going to say that there are important differences in the lifestyle of the Baffinland Inuit vs. their southern neighbors, to which my response would be that the differences aren't nearly as great as those between the Aztec and the unrepresented Mixtec (for example).

And I'm not saying you should start adding every unrepresented group - there has to be a line drawn somewhere - but I do think that some of the Arctic nations can be dropped/combined to improve gameplay without sacrificing the historical integrity of the map.

[Tisha]

and i have been told before that the salish bonus should be one because someone might drop it.. how rare would that be?

I'm not sure about the numbers but in 2 or 3 players game i think more than 50%

better with list bonus legend
woodlands alone without north-east
can't you find more characteristic names for north-west south-east south-west
and maybe some kind of symbols in front of the names representative the the culture
I miss some native's graphic felling in this map (only my opinion)

I also think you are ready to make a test with "888" army symbols
triple 8 is because of the use of the colour code by a lot of players

I'm not going to put symbols in front of the names, there isn't room.. I will add some randomly later.
and I know about the 888, i have made a map before. it's not time for that right now, when I'm still messing with the territories and trying to figure that out.

i don't know what more characteristic names you want, all the names describe the area that they...are