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Postby Mr. K on Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:38 pm

So it seems like the majority of you would like this idea.

Can I get a go-ahead from Andy or Lack to do this? I don't see why not, but i'm not sure if i'm really allowed to alter someone's old map.

For the record, I wouldn't change the XML or the borders or the names, so I'd give the original creator all the credit for all that, i'd give myself credit for the updated graphics and nothing else.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:37 pm

I've been in contact with the original cartographer, spiegleprime, and he was enthusastic about having the graphics revamped. The only stipulations are....
  • No border changing
  • No name changing
  • Try to make it feel like an old world/antique parchment...as that was what he said he originally wanted to try to do

So I give you the go ahead, as long as you follow all of those guidelines!


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Postby Mr. K on Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:48 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I've been in contact with the original cartographer, spiegleprime, and he was enthusastic about having the graphics revamped. The only stipulations are....
  • No border changing
  • No name changing
  • Try to make it feel like an old world/antique parchment...as that was what he said he originally wanted to try to do
So I give you the go ahead, as long as you follow all of those guidelines!


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Alrighty well I intended to do all of that anyhow :-)
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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:04 pm

Mr. K wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've been in contact with the original cartographer, spiegleprime, and he was enthusastic about having the graphics revamped. The only stipulations are....
  • No border changing
  • No name changing
  • Try to make it feel like an old world/antique parchment...as that was what he said he originally wanted to try to do
So I give you the go ahead, as long as you follow all of those guidelines!


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Alrighty well I intended to do all of that anyhow :-)


Now get a rough draft up


by old world parchment do you mean like the Ireland map?
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:07 pm

Not quite. I think the original cartographer had the old rustic scroll kind of feel in mind. Parchment similar to say the Dead Sea Scrolls, and perhaps corresponding font.


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Postby Mr. K on Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:49 pm

Yeah, I started a very rough version at home, and the key/font fits that description.
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Postby Mr. K on Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:20 am

heres a rough first draft

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Postby socralynnek on Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:22 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
  • No border changing
  • No name changing
  • Try to make it feel like an old world/antique parchment...as that was what he said he originally wanted to try to do
--Andy


I'd like to ask the original creator where "Antakya" is, I only know Antalya and Alanya...

For old world we have he Alexander's map, although it would be nice if the map looks like an old drawn map!
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Postby gavin_sidhu on Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:40 am

omg, it is already so much better then the old one, quench it.
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Postby socralynnek on Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:02 am

Can you make it clear in the map that there is no connection from Hejaz to Sinai. It's not obvious neither in the original nor here....
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Postby Mr. K on Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:33 am

gavin_sidhu wrote:omg, it is already so much better then the old one, quench it.


Well its just a rough draft, and so we can make it much better. :) But i'm glad you like the progress so far!

socralynnek: I'll keep that in mind next time i'm workin on it. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:56 am

Mr. K wrote:heres a rough first draft

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Psh... rough?

haha it looks near finished.

Put a title on it that says MIDDLE EAST!


put map drawn by spiegleprime rob whatever
put graphics by Mr K.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:58 am

wasnt there mountains on the original?
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Postby Mr. K on Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:32 am

Yeah there were, thats one of the many reasons why this is a rough first draft. :P
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Postby Marvaddin on Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:27 am

Some colours are alike, mainly Iran and Arabia, but also Egypt and Turkey. Maybe colours should be a bit lighter.
Borders are too thick, and letters shouldnt be black too, because they are not readable when over the borders.
Could we eliminate that four corners border in Egypt? Maybe a little lake...
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Postby socralynnek on Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:35 am

Place a pyramid on the corner of Luxor-East Nubia s.t. one sees that there is no connection!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:15 am

Marvaddin wrote:Some colours are alike, mainly Iran and Arabia, but also Egypt and Turkey. Maybe colours should be a bit lighter.
Borders are too thick, and letters shouldnt be black too, because they are not readable when over the borders.
Could we eliminate that four corners border in Egypt? Maybe a little lake...


AndyDufresne wrote:
  • No border changing
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  • Try to make it feel like an old world/antique parchment...as that was what he said he originally wanted to try to do
--Andy


and I disagree about the borders, I like a thicker border thats about hte size I use in my maps... I also prefer the black font?
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Postby Spiegelprime on Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:37 am

Wow, I'm impressed! I would have worked on something like this eventually, but you've done a fantastic job and I appreciate you taking the time to improve something I loved making. I can't wait to see the finished product...it may get me playing again!
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Postby Hoff on Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:44 pm

I agree that the border thickness may be, well a bit too thick. But it looks good anyway. But I like how the map is a tad dark, i like the darker maps, but i know alot of ppl like lighter maps too...
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Postby Mr. K on Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:54 am

Spiegelprime wrote:Wow, I'm impressed! I would have worked on something like this eventually, but you've done a fantastic job and I appreciate you taking the time to improve something I loved making. I can't wait to see the finished product...it may get me playing again!

Hey Spiegelprime! Let me first say, I LOVE your map. Its definitely one of my absolute favorite maps on this site, so well done! Thank you for making it.

I'm happy to hear you're supporting this remake. Good to hear from you!
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Postby Mr. K on Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:34 am

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I dont really like the water labels, I just put them in to try. I'm gonna delete them probably.

I also added the surrounding 'dead' territory, which I like. Maybe i'll change up the color though.
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Postby gavin_sidhu on Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:25 am

The dead territories look quite nice, but i think they make the water look odd, too flat.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:08 pm

Are you trying to be symbolic with the extremely faded/dark colors, saying that the Middle East is undergoing some 'dark times' of turmoil, war, and upheaval?

Or do you just like dark colors? ;)

It feels a little too dark...and not a good dark like some maps can pull off.


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Postby Mr. K on Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:43 pm

I made it dark, not to be symbolic, but because I thought it looked good, and fitting.
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Postby Hoff on Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:02 pm

I like it dark, but maybe alittle less dark will please more people, but still keep it on the dark side i'd say.
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