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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:10 am

I noticed this fell to the second page when doing my france map and I was like has it died :(?
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Postby Mr. K on Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:50 pm

Sorry, past 3 weeks have been the busiest 3 weeks in a long time. Tomorrow is my last exam though, so we'll see.
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Postby Hoff on Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:48 pm

i saw you posted and got excited for an update, but no.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:51 pm

Hoff wrote:i saw you posted and got excited for an update, but no.



Aww man.. me too, this is my most anticipated map.
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Postby qeee1 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:37 pm

I want to see a lighter version. Other than that, good job. Can't wait to play, might get in a few rounds on the old middle east map after christmas, to get ready.
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Postby Pedronicus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:40 am

I liked the fact that you added the names to the surrounding seas.
1 one good thing about maps other than the Classic - is that they can educate people about geography.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:01 pm

Still working on this project, Mr. K? I'd like to see it in the near future.


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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:50 pm

there r some critical wrongs on the middle east map. so if u change i hope u can pay attention on those.
1- the place called armenia is van, a turkish city. armenia is a country and nothing to do with turkey
2- the place called caucasia is actually armenia. caucasia is a region including azerbeijan, armenia, georgia and so many others.
3- there is no place called kurdistan in the world. in the map place as ashown as kurdistan is actually musul-kerkuk. musul and kerkuk have their own people and it belongs to iraq. since iraq is divided to cities such as baghdad, than the place as shown as kurdistan has to be musul-kerkuk.
i hope u can pay attention on the things i told.
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Postby oaktown on Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:03 pm

i hope this project isn't dead - it's one of the few geographically accurate maps in progress that looks good and seems playable.

Palestine v. Israel v. both... I know the rules say no name changes, but if it's going to cause a fuss maybe this could just be called the "Holy Land" with the quotes intact.
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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:26 pm

as i told before on some topics there r some mistakes on middle east map and actually i would like from moderators to change it. i wonder people's ideas about that. mistakes r as follows:

1- the place called armenia is "van", a turkish city. armenia is a country and nothing to do with turquia. and armenia never have those lands the history so i dont understant y it is shown as so
2- the place called caucasia is actually armenia. caucasia is a region including azerbeijan, armenia, georgia and so many others.
3- there is no place called kurdistan in the world. in the map place as shown as kurdistan is actually musul-kerkuk. musul and kerkuk have their own people and it belongs to iraq. since iraq is divided to cities in that map such as baghdad, than the place as shown as kurdistan has to be musul-kerkuk.
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Postby hwhrhett on Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:31 pm

seem like minor nit-picking mistakes.... are they really worth changing if they wont effect gameplay?
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Postby s.xkitten on Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:47 pm

yes, it should still be politically correct
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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:56 pm

of course yes. and if the majority says that it has to be changed it is a must. even if the majority says no they should consider that it is a disrispect to the people who live there. i am not asking to create a map or to change the gameplay. i am just asking for a correction and i think just changing the names will not take more then 1 minute. to overstate i can create a map and put a city with my name or i can show some land that it is belonging to my country which is not in real life and which my country desire to have or i desire to have etc.
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Postby btownmeggy on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:06 pm

While you say that the "mistakes" are offensive to the people that live there, your condemnation of Kurdistan is also quite offensive. Kurdistan (in Kurdish: Kurdewari) IS a place in the world, primarily inhabited by the oppressed Kurdish population. Just because Kurdistan has very little to no political stance, as Kurds are simultaneously persecuted by their Turkic, Persic, and Arabic neighbors, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
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Postby ozzburn on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:07 pm

f course it has to be changed y to play with wrong names
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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:25 pm

btownmeggy wrote:While you say that the "mistakes" are offensive to the people that live there, your condemnation of Kurdistan is also quite offensive. Kurdistan (in Kurdish: Kurdewari) IS a place in the world, primarily inhabited by the oppressed Kurdish population. Just because Kurdistan has very little to no political stance, as Kurds are simultaneously persecuted by their Turkic, Persic, and Arabic neighbors, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.


i didnt say kurdish people doesnt excist but of course kurdistan doesnt excist. there r a lot of kurdish people around the world and also as a frind of me but there is no country called kurdistan. if there would be so then it is tottally fine to say kurdistan. if u say there excist pls show me the country then let me apologize and thank u for new info. btw kurds never has little political stance. they r now the strongest partner of usa in iraq and they have some terrorist gangs such as pkk, kadek and etc who kill so many innonecnt people around middle east. and the judge who give the saddam's death penalty judgement is a kurd. i respect to kurd people, but not to a country that doesnt excist.
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Postby btownmeggy on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:33 pm

Kurdistan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan

http://www.krg.org/

http://www.theotheriraq.com/

I mean, I could go on and on and on and on and on. Kurdistan obviously exists. I don't see how you could say it doesn't other than out of a racist agenda.
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Postby Qwert on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:45 pm

i have qwestion what period these map present.
If we know these,then we can talk of teritory and country.
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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:58 pm

thank u for ur info but unfortunetly these web sites r the sites done by the kurdish people and they r not official. about wikipedia as u know it is not an official site so there r so many mistakes on that. to be a country, u need to known by the other countries by sending embassies. so for now on there is no country called kurdistan. the south part of iraq is under control of kurdish people but even that region is not called kurdistan. i just would like to say there exsit no region officially called kurdistan. just becouse of some people say to a land that it is kurdistan u cant put name as the way they say so. when u r creating a map with official names u need to put official names to all of it not some of it.
of course u can find so many info when u right "kurdistan" to google. it is becouse kurds dont have land and they desire to have turquie's southeast region and for this aim some kurds create a terrorist group called pkk, kadek. since they have no land they r always working on propogandas that kurdistan belongs thas y it is easy to have info about that. and while making this propaganda, so many countries have support with them so u can coincide with kurdistan in so many places. but just those doesnt mean that there excist a country of kurdistan.
btw i am talking on just the things i have known, of course there can be sth i dont know or i know wrong so i am so open to new infos about that subject especially from obcejtive people such as from other countries. the only thing i know is there is no country called kurdistan and i want to say agian this doenst mean that kurds doesnt excist. there r so many ethnic nations without country and u never tell those nation's land with some name with their nation when they live in another country.
as a brief kurdistan is just a utopia of kurds, but not a country.
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Postby qeee1 on Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:04 pm

It doesn't have to be a country to be considered a region, so your argument is irrelevant anyway.


From the wikipedia page:
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so it's probably not that full of innacuracies...

Another encyclopedia-
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http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9046469/Kurdistan[/url]
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Postby serkancatal on Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:18 pm

the region in that enscyloedia is actually mezopotomia and becouse of so many big propoganda activities of rich kurdish people, in some places it is called kurdistan but it is not sth official and just becouse some of the historicians and scientsit call there kurdistan iit s not enought to call a land so. when u consider that the usa is giving big support to kurds to divide iraq, nowadays kurds r so powerful and they introduce everything as they want to and beouse of that there r so many wrong infos about those.

what u dont know is kurdistan is a symbolic name of the utopia of kurdish people and when kurds use kurdistan they mean a terrirotrry with some cities which turquia owns right now such as diyarbakir, urfa etc. and by reaching to aim of kurdistan they have terrorsit gangs who r killing so many innocent people every year. kurdish issue is another subject to discuss and of course there r some wrongs made by both countries. but when u say kurdistan, turks understand it as a land with some turkish cities and it bothers us. for that reason, officialy kurdistan name is not used by countries beouce of turks sensitivty about that name. since there is not an official name called kurdistan and since the map has been made by official names not some utopic names i am against on its using and saying my idea about that.
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Postby Spiegelprime on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:49 am

Ok...the regions you take issue with I named as such for simplicity and to describe the regions. No, there is no country named Kurdistan (yet!) and yes Caucasia is a region including more than what is in the territory, but it's Armenia and Azerbaijan and to name it one or the other wouldn't do it justice. The Armenia in modern Turkey comes from what would have been an independent country there had they not had...some...well...issues in the First World War. And the fact is I made the map, and it's my "creative" license, heck just look at the classic map...it is far from accurate on the whole! And just out of curiosity serkancatal, where are you from? I find it interesting the territories you take issue with...

And for those of you who are curious, I'm a History student at McGill with a concentration in Middle Eastern history, so my naming on this map reflects a certain knowledge of the history, conflict and whatever else has gone on in this region. So honestly, taking too much effort to find some sort of politically correct naming scheme for this area could send us down a very, very long and dark path of "who was there first" which is totally unnecessary for a bloody risk map.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:36 am

Spiegelprime wrote:And just out of curiosity serkancatal, where are you from? I find it interesting the territories you take issue with...


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thats not 100% correct though.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:39 pm

Regarding this idea, I've been in contact with Mr. K.

Mr. K wrote:I do think i'll get back to it some day, a long time from now. I can't take a guess how long it will be unfortunately 'cause it may be a very long time.

If someone else is itching to finish it I'd be willing to send the photoshop file to them, but otherwise I do think i'll get back to it eventually.

I'd say its on a vacation of undetermined length.


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Postby Spiegelprime on Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:37 pm

If I had a copy of photoshop for mac I'd do it myself....



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