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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:08 am

MegasWoman wrote:I love the map-good job! Just a suggestion-as JefJef and I play this map quite a bit now-could it be coded that atleast one territory in the Vier Ambachten bonus be neutral? Or it be coded that you can not drop that bonus? In two of our last three games that entire bonus has been dropped to our opponents-with them getting first turn.....


Tnx for the reply, I personally have no idea if that is possible. I also face that problem quit a lot with Rijks-Vlaanderen. Any expert on XML who can help us out here?
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby natty dread on Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:16 am

Yes, territories can be coded as neutrals, but you will have to take in account the starting territory count.

Alternatively you can use starting positions if a bonus only gets dropped in small games.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:52 am

natty_dread wrote:Yes, territories can be coded as neutrals, but you will have to take in account the starting territory count.

Alternatively you can use starting positions if a bonus only gets dropped in small games.


I'm not sure about both solutions. it should be a more random selection, resulting in a neutral 3 "somewhere" in Vier Ambachten, not a fixed position of the neutral or the player. This seems more like a fixed scenario and i've always tried to avoied this, pushing players in a certain play-order or starting positions...I would not like to have this finally at the end of the ride, you see.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby natty dread on Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:55 am

You don't need to code all territories as starting positions. For example, if the problem is only at 2-4 player games, you could code 4 starting positions into the bonus areas that are likely to get dropped. Then the map will still start as a random drop, but just those 4 territories will in 2-4 player games be distributed so that each player gets one.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:16 pm

The probability of dropping Vier Ambachten is very similar (and slightly lower) than dropping all of Oceania on Classic. When people start crying for one of the territories on Classic to start neutral, I'd start worrying about making Vier Ambachten start neutral.

It would be possible to completely eliminate that chance by splitting 2 territories from the region as starting positions (so that nobody drops it on a 1v1 game), although this perversely increases the chance that one player will have three terrs on that region.

If you're worried about somebody dropping that bonus, then the best thing to do, would be to put those four terrs within starting positions, which will guarantee that nobody will drop that bonus in 2/3/4 player games. If you want to do it, the XML is incredibly simple:

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    <positions>
       <position>
          <territory>Axel</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Hulst</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Middelburg</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
       </position>
    </positions>
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:25 am

MrBenn wrote: When people start crying for one of the territories on Classic to start neutral, I'd start worrying about making Vier Ambachten start neutral.

If you're worried about somebody dropping that bonus, then the best thing to do, would be to put those four terrs within starting positions, which will guarantee that nobody will drop that bonus in 2/3/4 player games. If you want to do it, the XML is incredibly simple:

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    <positions>
       <position>
          <territory>Axel</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Hulst</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Middelburg</territory>
       </position>
       <position>
          <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
       </position>
    </positions>


Tnx, exactly my point.
But help me out, what exactly will do this "position" tag in the XML...Makes it that all territs in Vier Ambachten are in hands of all different players? So Yes? why would you make all 4 territs so, wouldn't it be more "natural" if only 2 of them have this tag?
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby MrBenn on Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:41 am

In a 1v1 game, this means that each player will start with two of those territories.

If you were to only include two territories in the starting position, then a) they would only be used in 2p games, and would be ignored in 3/4 player games - meaning that somebody could still drop the bonus in 3/4 player games; and b) would increase the chances of the first player dropping the remaining three territories (it's a quirk of statistics and the number of neutrals in 1v1 games), thereby making it more likely that the first player will have an easy chance to take the bonus and fort to protect it.

In 5-8 player games, it will be possible to drop the bonus, but this is much less likely than in 1v1 games, and as already said, this is less likely than dropping Oceania on the Classic map.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:00 am

Sorry for the waiting, the computer is fixed and running again, so I have again access to my files.
Latest version: changes:
-Henegouwen +3 (instead of the +2)
Files can be downloaded here:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/1/27/ ... OTGS4S.tif
http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/1/27/ ... OTGS4L.tif

And the changed XML, changes:
- added position-tags for Rijks Vlaanderen (Ninove, Ronse) and all territs in Vier Ambachten.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/1/27/ ... 092010.xml

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<continent>
   <name>Rijks-Vlaanderen</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Ninove</territory>
      <territory>Ronse</territory>
      <territory>Aalst</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Vier Ambachten</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Axel</territory>
      <territory>Hulst</territory>
      <territory>Middelburg</territory>
      <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Brabant</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Brussel</territory>
      <territory>Mechelen</territory>
      <territory>Antwerpen</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Kroon-Vlaanderen</name>
   <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Beveren</territory>
      <territory>Lokeren</territory>
      <territory>Gent</territory>
      <territory>Eeklo</territory>
      <territory>Roeselare</territory>
      <territory>Damme</territory>
      <territory>Ieper</territory>
      <territory>Poperinge</territory>
      <territory>Ter Duinen</territory>
      <territory>Broekburg</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Kortrijk</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Rijsel</territory>
      <territory>Orchies</territory>
      <territory>Kortrijk</territory>
      <territory>Groeninge</territory>
      <territory>Oudenaarde</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Artesie</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Lens</territory>
      <territory>Bethune</territory>
      <territory>Terwaan</territory>
      <territory>Kassel</territory>
      <territory>Sint Omaars</territory>
      <territory>Duinkerke</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Oostervant</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Dowaai</territory>
      <territory>Sint Amands</territory>
      <territory>Doornik</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Henegouwen</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Bergen</territory>
      <territory>Valencijn</territory>
      <territory>Halle</territory>
      <territory>Ath</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<territory>
   <name>Duinkerke</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>30</smallx>
      <smally>269</smally>
      <largex>36</largex>
      <largey>319</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sint Omaars</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>17</smallx>
      <smally>345</smally>
      <largex>23</largex>
      <largey>423</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Kassel</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>73</smallx>
      <smally>310</smally>
      <largex>90</largex>
      <largey>364</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Terwaan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
      <border>Poperinge</border>
      <border>Bethune</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>77</smallx>
      <smally>384</smally>
      <largex>85</largex>
      <largey>463</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bethune</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Lens</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>139</smallx>
      <smally>386</smally>
      <largex>169</largex>
      <largey>470</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lens</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bethune</border>
      <border>Rijsel</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>206</smallx>
      <smally>383</smally>
      <largex>239</largex>
      <largey>448</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Arras</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bethune</border>
      <border>Lens</border>
      <border>Rijsel</border>
      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Dowaai</border>
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      <smally>445</smally>
      <largex>273</largex>
      <largey>524</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>5</neutral>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Broekburg</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
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      <border>Ter Duinen</border>
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      <largex>132</largex>
      <largey>296</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Ter Duinen</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>190</smallx>
      <smally>233</smally>
      <largex>227</largex>
      <largey>274</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poperinge</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
      <border>Ieper</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>187</smallx>
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      <largex>217</largex>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Rijsel</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Arras</border>
      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Ieper</border>
   </borders>
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      <smally>361</smally>
      <largex>303</largex>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Ieper</name>
   <borders>
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      <smallx>259</smallx>
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      <largex>306</largex>
      <largey>351</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
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   <name>Brugge</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Damme</border>
      <border>Roeselare</border>
   </borders>
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      <largex>376</largex>
      <largey>250</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>4</neutral>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
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   <name>Roeselare</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ieper</border>
      <border>Damme</border>
      <border>Eeklo</border>
      <border>Kortrijk</border>
      <border>Brugge</border>
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      <smally>281</smally>
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      <largey>322</largey>
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</territory>
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   <name>Eeklo</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Roeselare</border>
      <border>Gent</border>
      <border>Oudenaarde</border>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
   </borders>
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      <smally>195</smally>
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      <largey>238</largey>
   </coordinates>
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   <name>Gent</name>
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      <largex>504</largex>
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   <bonus>1</bonus>
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   <name>Lokeren</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Axel</border>
      <border>Hulst</border>
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      <border>Aalst</border>
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</territory>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Hulst</border>
      <border>Antwerpen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>171</smally>
      <largex>651</largex>
      <largey>205</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Damme</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Roeselare</border>
      <border>Brugge</border>
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   <name>Kortrijk</name>
   <borders>
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   <bonus>1</bonus>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Groeninge</border>
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      <smally>384</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Groeninge</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Oudenaarde</border>
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      <smally>317</smally>
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</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Oudenaarde</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Groeninge</border>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ninove</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ronse</border>
      <border>Aalst</border>
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      <smally>254</smally>
      <largex>575</largex>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Aalst</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ninove</border>
      <border>Ronse</border>
      <border>Brussel</border>
      <border>Mechelen</border>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>535</smallx>
      <smally>273</smally>
      <largex>634</largex>
      <largey>317</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ronse</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ath</border>
      <border>Halle</border>
      <border>Brussel</border>
      <border>Aalst</border>
      <border>Ninove</border>
      <border>Oudenaarde</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>453</smallx>
      <smally>302</smally>
      <largex>528</largex>
      <largey>354</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Axel</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
      <border>Hulst</border>
      <border>Middelburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>466</smallx>
      <smally>153</smally>
      <largex>554</largex>
      <largey>179</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hulst</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Axel</border>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
      <border>Beveren</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>512</smallx>
      <smally>143</smally>
      <largex>605</largex>
      <largey>168</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Middelburg</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Zierikzee</border>
      <border>Axel</border>
      <border>Antwerpen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>491</smallx>
      <smally>94</smally>
      <largex>589</largex>
      <largey>106</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Zierikzee</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Middelburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>537</smallx>
      <smally>56</smally>
      <largex>634</largex>
      <largey>62</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Antwerpen</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Beveren</border>
      <border>Mechelen</border>
      <border>Middelburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>593</smallx>
      <smally>137</smally>
      <largex>706</largex>
      <largey>160</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Mechelen</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Brussel</border>
      <border>Aalst</border>
      <border>Antwerpen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>598</smallx>
      <smally>225</smally>
      <largex>709</largex>
      <largey>267</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Brussel</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Halle</border>
      <border>Ronse</border>
      <border>Aalst</border>
      <border>Mechelen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>591</smallx>
      <smally>282</smally>
      <largex>698</largex>
      <largey>339</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ath</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ronse</border>
      <border>Halle</border>
      <border>Doornik</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>430</smallx>
      <smally>347</smally>
      <largex>510</largex>
      <largey>408</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Halle</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ath</border>
      <border>Brussel</border>
      <border>Ronse</border>
      <border>Doornik</border>
      <border>Bergen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>476</smallx>
      <smally>365</smally>
      <largex>559</largex>
      <largey>439</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bergen</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Halle</border>
      <border>Doornik</border>
      <border>Valencijn</border>
      <border>Sint Amands</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>455</smallx>
      <smally>414</smally>
      <largex>537</largex>
      <largey>487</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Valencijn</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bergen</border>
      <border>Sint Amands</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>436</smallx>
      <smally>448</smally>
      <largex>517</largex>
      <largey>530</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Doornik</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Amands</border>
      <border>Bergen</border>
      <border>Halle</border>
      <border>Ath</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>407</smallx>
      <smally>412</smally>
      <largex>481</largex>
      <largey>483</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sint Amands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dowaai</border>
      <border>Doornik</border>
      <border>Valencijn</border>
      <border>Bergen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>382</smallx>
      <smally>436</smally>
      <largex>456</largex>
      <largey>519</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Dowaai</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Amands</border>
      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>336</smallx>
      <smally>447</smally>
      <largex>398</largex>
      <largey>531</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<positions>
   <position>
          <territory>Axel</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Hulst</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Middelburg</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Ninove</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Ronse</territory>
       </position>
</positions>
</map>


Can someone check these tags? I have no clue if they need to have a certain fixed position in the xml or not? Hope I did it good, don't wish to make major problems while people are playing on it :)

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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby natty dread on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:33 am

Your position tags are in the wrong place... they should be in the beginning of the file.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:46 am

Before <continents>? or are they placed together with the <components>< territory > under the continents description?
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby natty dread on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:50 am

Yes before continents, right after "<map>".
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:28 am

Hope this is better:
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<positions>
   <position>
          <territory>Axel</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Hulst</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Middelburg</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Ninove</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
          <territory>Ronse</territory>
       </position>
</positions>
<continent>
   <name>Rijks-Vlaanderen</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Ninove</territory>
      <territory>Ronse</territory>
      <territory>Aalst</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Vier Ambachten</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Axel</territory>
      <territory>Hulst</territory>
      <territory>Middelburg</territory>
      <territory>Zierikzee</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Brabant</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Brussel</territory>
      <territory>Mechelen</territory>
      <territory>Antwerpen</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Kroon-Vlaanderen</name>
   <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Beveren</territory>
      <territory>Lokeren</territory>
      <territory>Gent</territory>
      <territory>Eeklo</territory>
      <territory>Roeselare</territory>
      <territory>Damme</territory>
      <territory>Ieper</territory>
      <territory>Poperinge</territory>
      <territory>Ter Duinen</territory>
      <territory>Broekburg</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Kortrijk</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Rijsel</territory>
      <territory>Orchies</territory>
      <territory>Kortrijk</territory>
      <territory>Groeninge</territory>
      <territory>Oudenaarde</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Artesie</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Lens</territory>
      <territory>Bethune</territory>
      <territory>Terwaan</territory>
      <territory>Kassel</territory>
      <territory>Sint Omaars</territory>
      <territory>Duinkerke</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Oostervant</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Dowaai</territory>
      <territory>Sint Amands</territory>
      <territory>Doornik</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Henegouwen</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Bergen</territory>
      <territory>Valencijn</territory>
      <territory>Halle</territory>
      <territory>Ath</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<territory>
   <name>Duinkerke</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>30</smallx>
      <smally>269</smally>
      <largex>36</largex>
      <largey>319</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sint Omaars</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>17</smallx>
      <smally>345</smally>
      <largex>23</largex>
      <largey>423</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Kassel</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>73</smallx>
      <smally>310</smally>
      <largex>90</largex>
      <largey>364</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Terwaan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sint Omaars</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
      <border>Poperinge</border>
      <border>Bethune</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>77</smallx>
      <smally>384</smally>
      <largex>85</largex>
      <largey>463</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bethune</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Lens</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>139</smallx>
      <smally>386</smally>
      <largex>169</largex>
      <largey>470</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lens</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bethune</border>
      <border>Rijsel</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>206</smallx>
      <smally>383</smally>
      <largex>239</largex>
      <largey>448</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Arras</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bethune</border>
      <border>Lens</border>
      <border>Rijsel</border>
      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Dowaai</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>231</smallx>
      <smally>445</smally>
      <largex>273</largex>
      <largey>524</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>5</neutral>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Broekburg</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Duinkerke</border>
      <border>Kassel</border>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Poperinge</border>
      <border>Ter Duinen</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>108</smallx>
      <smally>249</smally>
      <largex>132</largex>
      <largey>296</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ter Duinen</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>190</smallx>
      <smally>233</smally>
      <largex>227</largex>
      <largey>274</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poperinge</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Terwaan</border>
      <border>Broekburg</border>
      <border>Ieper</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>187</smallx>
      <smally>306</smally>
      <largex>217</largex>
      <largey>366</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Rijsel</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Lens</border>
      <border>Arras</border>
      <border>Orchies</border>
      <border>Ieper</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>256</smallx>
      <smally>361</smally>
      <largex>303</largex>
      <largey>427</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ieper</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poperinge</border>
      <border>Roeselare</border>
      <border>Damme</border>
      <border>Rijsel</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>259</smallx>
      <smally>303</smally>
      <largex>306</largex>
      <largey>351</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Brugge</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Damme</border>
      <border>Roeselare</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>319</smallx>
      <smally>218</smally>
      <largex>376</largex>
      <largey>250</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>4</neutral>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Roeselare</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ieper</border>
      <border>Damme</border>
      <border>Eeklo</border>
      <border>Kortrijk</border>
      <border>Brugge</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>327</smallx>
      <smally>281</smally>
      <largex>391</largex>
      <largey>322</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Eeklo</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Roeselare</border>
      <border>Gent</border>
      <border>Oudenaarde</border>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>383</smallx>
      <smally>195</smally>
      <largex>458</largex>
      <largey>238</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gent</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Eeklo</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>427</smallx>
      <smally>213</smally>
      <largex>504</largex>
      <largey>245</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lokeren</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Eeklo</border>
      <border>Axel</border>
      <border>Hulst</border>
      <border>Beveren</border>
      <border>Aalst</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>481</smallx>
      <smally>209</smally>
      <largex>578</largex>
      <largey>245</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Beveren</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Lokeren</border>
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby natty dread on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:32 am

Yep it seems good now.
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby iancanton on Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:33 am

u have 6 start positions. did u really want to do that? with 6 positions, a 2-player game is likely to start with one player holding 3 of the vier ambachten regions.

if u use only 4 start positions by removing ninove and ronse, then both will start with 2 of the vier ambachten regions.

for those interested, room 24 of the plantin-moretus museum (which i rate as antwerp's top museum) has a nice collection of old maps, including maps of the southern netherlands that cover the same area as our map, as well as maps produced by mercator, the famous flemish cartographer.

http://www.museumplantinmoretus.be/eCache/MFE/30/04/926.html

ian. :)
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Re: Flanders 1302V14 [D][Gp][G][XML][Beta]

Postby DubWarrior on Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:00 am

iancanton wrote:u have 6 start positions. did u really want to do that? with 6 positions, a 2-player game is likely to start with one player holding 3 of the vier ambachten regions.

if u use only 4 start positions by removing ninove and ronse, then both will start with 2 of the vier ambachten regions.

Ah, nope didn't know that. I was thinking of dividing the territs of Vier ambachten amongst different players, and do the same for Rijks-Vlaanderen (with the 3th territory of aalst starting as neutral). Not dividing those 6 territs amongst different players.
You get the difference?
But these is no way to write that efficient and working?
for those interested, room 24 of the plantin-moretus museum (which i rate as antwerp's top museum) has a nice collection of old maps, including maps of the southern netherlands that cover the same area as our map, as well as maps produced by mercator, the famous flemish cartographer.

http://www.museumplantinmoretus.be/eCache/MFE/30/04/926.html

ian. :)


Hehe, great. Love that museum, one of the best collections for typography and cartography, a real dream.
they give some real nice workshops and lectures on typo.
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