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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby theBastard on Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:53 am

evrything is good and nice :)

just maybe you could divide Wien to two regions (each on the one riverbank).
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:04 pm

theBastard wrote:just maybe you could divide Wien to two regions (each on the one riverbank).


I'm not keen in doing that change. To be honest, what I'd like to do now is play this map! :mrgreen:

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:36 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
theBastard wrote:just maybe you could divide Wien to two regions (each on the one riverbank).


I'm not keen in doing that change. To be honest, what I'd like to do now is play this map! :mrgreen:

Agreed :mrgreen:
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed May 04, 2011 4:14 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
theBastard wrote:just maybe you could divide Wien to two regions (each on the one riverbank).


I'm not keen in doing that change. To be honest, what I'd like to do now is play this map! :mrgreen:

It's been too long! :( :P

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu May 05, 2011 9:04 am

My fault.
I had to fix a couple of coords but RL forced me to postpone to this weekend.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu May 05, 2011 2:36 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:My fault.
I had to fix a couple of coords but RL forced me to postpone to this weekend.

That's cool, it's nice to know you haven't forgotten :D

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 06 Mar

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat May 07, 2011 9:22 am

I changed some coords

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- Centered Dual monarchy
- Hunyad moved down
- Csik moved down
Large Map:
- Vorarlberg moved to left
- Schlesien moved to left
- Lemberg moved to left
- Travnik moved to left

the updated files are in the first post :D

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby gimil on Fri May 27, 2011 5:55 am

Hi Nobodies my old friend,

I hate to be one of those guys who come in at the end of the map and point out graphical concerns, but I am going to have to do it anyway. They are only small ones but I hope you don't mind me pointing them out.

Firstly, symbols for the thrones I feel need a little something to make them pop out of the map. Like a drop shadow or glow, just so they look a little more integrated into the map. Rather than glued on clip art, if you know what I mean.

Secondly, your rivers are dark blue, like the darker parts of your sea. This gives me the impression that they are as deep as the ocean and thus don't feel like rivers. Would you be resistant to making them a lighter shade of blue, so they feel shallower like a river should.

Again, sorry to be that guy. I would understand if you were resistant to changes like this at this point.


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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri May 27, 2011 9:29 am

Gimil ! :D
It's really nice to see you here around.
About your suggestions...no worries, I'm really happy that you have some advice for me.
Moreover, all them are small things and won't change gameplay.
I'll try to play a bit more with symbols and rivers asap, we'll see what comes out....

But I'll be away for a week, the next update will take a while.

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Oh, btw don't forget to come back here to say me how the next update looks like! ;)

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby gimil on Fri May 27, 2011 12:15 pm

excellent, I look forward to seeing it. I'l make sure I show face again!
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:14 am

Like this?

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:34 am

Looking at the legend, I got briefly confused.

It mentions that The Thrones 'Can attack and be attacked by the territory with the same symbol.' I looked the 'territories' on the geographical gameboard, and noticed no repeating symbols. Then after a moment I realized the 'territories' in the upper left is what that block of legend text is referring to.

Anyways, once a game initializes, there probably won't be any issue since it'll be more immediately understandable I think.

I like the map though overall. The texture of the playable regions seems a little out-sync with them, but everything else looks pretty perfect.

Good work.


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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:25 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Looking at the legend, I got briefly confused.

It mentions that The Thrones 'Can attack and be attacked by the territory with the same symbol.' I looked the 'territories' on the geographical gameboard, and noticed no repeating symbols. Then after a moment I realized the 'territories' in the upper left is what that block of legend text is referring to.

Anyways, once a game initializes, there probably won't be any issue since it'll be more immediately understandable I think.

I like the map though overall. The texture of the playable regions seems a little out-sync with them, but everything else looks pretty perfect.

Good work.


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I was more confused trying to figure out what you were talking about :lol:

IMO, I think it's fine. I'm still eager to play this! I like the standard gameplay type with the little added flair - it's familiar yet fresh.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby gimil on Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:21 pm

I like the first image with it changes. The rivers sit much better. But the symbols still don't pop enough for my liking. I think a darker outline would be better than the lighter one you have used. An outer glow, that doesn't, well, glow. If you know what I mean.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:53 pm

Visually it's beautiful! Absolutely beautiful, without caveats or provisos! God I love it!

Gameplay-wise I have some reservations. A victory condition that can be satisfied by, basically, holding the centre of map will lead to a lot of quick, lopsided victories. I would, quite honestly, rather see this as a non-objective map. Or, if it must be an objectives map, go with a more complex victory condition.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Visually it's beautiful! Absolutely beautiful.

Agreed. I love the trees you've done also.
tnb80, i would have thought the bridges could have done with a something a little extra that was uncomplicated.
Is it possible to place some 88s or similar on the territories for us to see what territories are actually in play. I too am confused by the "thrones".
From the bottom right legend, the A-H Condominium appears to be part of both Empires, but it has its own bonus, i look at that graphic and think perhaps that area should be done in a slightly diferent colour than the other two, because it is confusing trying to work out what is what down there, plus it is a totally different non-themed colour in the map.
Great work so far. :)
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:29 pm

cairnswk wrote:Is it possible to place some 88s or similar on the territories for us to see what territories are actually in play. I too am confused by the "thrones".


Sure. :) (You can also test it directly using the map checker and the files in the first post)
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The thrones....i can change the text into the legend, something like: "can attack and be attacked from the territory with the same symbol inside it"....i don't know it looks very clear to me....first i need the territory, then i can "sit" on the throne. Even if I gave to it a legend appearance the upper left corner is just a sort of inset, similar to your snipers in stalingrad.

cairnswk wrote:From the bottom right legend, the A-H Condominium appears to be part of both Empires, but it has its own bonus, i look at that graphic and think perhaps that area should be done in a slightly diferent colour than the other two, because it is confusing trying to work out what is what down there, plus it is a totally different non-themed colour in the map.


Bosnia Herzegovina is NOT part of any empire. This is also historically accurate.
About the minimaps, can I ask you if in this old version the minimaps are more clear? --> viewtopic.php?f=64&t=91896&start=90#p2996552
I also tried a colored version...but i don't like it so much.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:29 am

Dukasaur wrote:Visually it's beautiful! Absolutely beautiful, without caveats or provisos! God I love it!

Gameplay-wise I have some reservations. A victory condition that can be satisfied by, basically, holding the centre of map will lead to a lot of quick, lopsided victories. I would, quite honestly, rather see this as a non-objective map. Or, if it must be an objectives map, go with a more complex victory condition.



Thanks, about victory condition....I not so keen in not having it. Afterall it's a dual monarchy map, i think that the "mission" to unite the two thrones fits perfectly.The current gameplay "force" also the players to run into the centre, that's in general a good thing. In addition neutrals should help to balance things - you need to take 3 neutral regions to reach just one throne - ...mmm :-k , let me see how it plays. If victory condition will create a problem I'll change it. ;)

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby MrBenn on Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:16 pm

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:30 pm

\:D/ Woo! Can't wait 'til it's live! :D

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby theBastard on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:04 am

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:19 pm

I just noticed that the troop circle for Modrus slightly overlaps the troop circle for Lika. When I moused over the overlap, the little parallels in BOB that tell you where you can attack started flashing back and forth. Not a problem for me, but I wondered if it could lead to errors for those people that use clickable maps?
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Augustus Maximus on Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:11 am

I have played the map a couple of times now and I don't find anything very confusing about it. Both the Thrones and the Condominium are easy to understand. I think the map plays very well. I also like the background picture of the Kaiser Franz Josesph I. Kudos to the Mapmaker - the nobodies80.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:28 am

tnb80, congratulations on this one, it's a ripper :) =D>
a very nice addition to the stable sts.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby dagdam0r on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:29 am

great great map by my felllow countryman, congrats thenobodies
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