Conquer Club

Great map there!

Some things about graphics that you need to improve but we’ll get to it later. For the moment I’d just try to make a way for the bonus areas to be more readable (both zones and empire bonus) - it would improve the map a lot (I like that idea of different font colour though)

Also, do you intend to make the map to be historically linked to a particular time like the creation of the Austro Hungarian Empire - 1867? Or do you intend to give a more expanded time scope, if so, it could be interesting to add some Russia and Ottoman influences to appear in the map – well just a thought.

I like the 2 capitals with the a/d bonus, maybe they could give a 1 deployable bonus when owned together. And, why not referring to the capital regions by their own name? – Vienna and Buda (later Budapest)

The lower Silesia neutrals will create a buffer for those 2 regions in the north… don’t know if you intend that…

Coat of Arms:

The Neon Peon wrote:The flags you put on the map and the picture you have in the bottom right are very blurry.
See if you can bring down the impassibles and one way attack from above the map to below it so that all the legend is in one general area.

Will fix

The Neon Peon wrote:Is there a reason you made bonuses for certain amounts of territories rather than an entire continent? (Just curious)
- I like the way you placed neutrals and arranged the two smaller bonuses on the map, but I have some concerns about other bonuses.
- Transylvania needs 2 neutrals placed in it, I would say. Currently it gives a 2 bonus with 2 regions to defend and no need to go through any neutrals to get it. I think if you placed one on Hunyad and Haromszek, it would balance it out. The reason I don't want to place one in Temes is because it adds a defense to the southern border that helps to get the bonus rather than hinders. The same goes for Maros-Torda, except this would do the same for the Galicia bonus.
- 4 is too much for Austria, I would suggest reducing the bonus to 3.

Bonuses are in a Berlin Style ( i like that map! )
The reason is that i prefere to develope a map in which a player could gain a bonus without a "precise scheme" or holding a complete zone.
All regions required are 50%+1 so there could be an "in-zone" fight and not only a zone vs another zone
About transylvania i like the possibiltiy to set 2 neutrals to prevent a lucky drop, Hunyad is ok, but maybe Csik instead haromszek.
Decreasing the austrian bonus..., i'd like to have more feedback about this.

Industrial Helix wrote:Gameplay wise... the bonus regions are a tad hard to read.

I know , i have to fix them

Industrial Helix wrote:I'd bump up the bonus amount on everything but Austria and Hungary by 1.

I prefer to have low bonuses and leave only empire bonuses bigger, this choice is because i'd like to have a slower gaem in the first part, with player that try to control more zones and (maybe) the empire later.

Industrial Helix wrote:I also think that Galicia ought to be part of the Austrian Empire. I think its cool that there's a bonus for holding each seat of the Duel monarchy... it might be interesting if the game came down to two players holding one each.

Galicia was de facto a part of the austrian empire, but the kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria obtained a sort of autonomy .
And it helps to balace the empire bonuses. Austria and bohemia on one side / hungary and transylvania on the other.

Industrial Helix wrote:I think you should consider a sea link along the islands of the Dalmatian coast... or perhaps another territory.

Islands aren't a playable part and i prefer not to modify the number of territories.

Kabanellas wrote:For the moment I’d just try to make a way for the bonus areas to be more readable (both zones and empire bonus) - it would improve the map a lot (I like that idea of different font colour though)

I'm working on this, i'd like to find a more friendly way to rapresent bonus areas without lose the "natural" style of the map, in other words, no colored terrains.

Kabanellas wrote:Also, do you intend to make the map to be historically linked to a particular time like the creation of the Austro Hungarian Empire - 1867? Or do you intend to give a more expanded time scope, if so, it could be interesting to add some Russia and Ottoman influences to appear in the map – well just a thought.

My purpose is to present a large landscape of those lands. The player "objective" is hold the power on these two great empires, without a direct connection with the historical events.

Kabanellas wrote:I like the 2 capitals with the a/d bonus, maybe they could give a 1 deployable bonus when owned together. And, why not referring to the capital regions by their own name? – Vienna and Buda (later Budapest)

1 for each territories if hold together?....And not used city names but only regions names that were in that period. But if people like i can change the names.

Kabanellas wrote:The lower Silesia neutrals will create a buffer for those 2 regions in the north… don’t know if you intend that…

All neutral were placed to prevent an unfair start.

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If i'll code other two starting neutral for transylvania:
42 regions
7 starting neutrals
35 randomly assigned

8 players 4 regions for each player + 3 neutral
7 players 5 regions for each player
6 players 5 regions for each player + 5 neutral
5 players 7 regions for each player
4 players 8 regions for each player + 3 neutral
3 players 11 regions for each player + 2 neutral
2 players 17 regions for each player +1 neutral

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Thank you guys for supporting this map

I was thinking on a 1 (only) extra deployable (not auto) troop for holding both….

The region names are all great, referring to the ones used in that period. I just think that you should give those two capitals the importance that they deserve by making a direct association between those two regions and respective capitals. I don’t think that you would be losing coherence.

very good start for a must to be map

the in-zone fight argument about partial bonus inside each region fit very well to this unstable empire
Vienna and Pest starting neutral is justified
but to avoid unfair start you don't need to put a neutral territory in Bohemia, Bosnia and Galicia just code them as starting positions and also add Transylvania
I think it would help a lot having some shade in your greens so regions can be distinguished more easily see England map

go on

New Version 3 - 26 Aug 2009



List of changes:

I placed a second neutral in transylvania--> neutrals will change in the next update
Changed a font type. Also regions names are 11px now.
Bonus for both capitals +2
Switched bohemia and bosnia colors, i think they look better now
Moved all infos near the legend
All Austria is +3 now
Lower empire bonuses now +6 and +9

I'm going to remove all the starting neutrals except for both capitals (+5) and find out some good regions to code as starting positions to prevent an unfair drop.
I will post a new update in few days

As a Proud born Croatian, I love the map and can't wait to play and hold my birth place territory during the game ... Great looking map Excellent job m8

why are the German names in English and not the Hungarian

I think you ought to name the capitals Vienna and Budapest.

I think that the starting neutrals need to be pulled out and the capitals dropped to 3. If I were playing this map, there would be no chance that I would attack either capital at a neutral 5... you're looking at killing 10 men for a bonus of 2. I think they're way too high.

thenobodies80 wrote:

Kabanellas wrote:For the moment I’d just try to make a way for the bonus areas to be more readable (both zones and empire bonus) - it would improve the map a lot (I like that idea of different font colour though)

I'm working on this, i'd like to find a more friendly way to rapresent bonus areas without lose the "natural" style of the map, in other words, no colored terrains.

Different underline styles perhaps?

Great, new font is a lot more readable. And the zone colour glow is quite perceptible now.
Having a bonus for holding both capitals makes perfect sense.

Industrial Helix wrote:I think you ought to name the capitals Vienna and Budapest.

I think that the starting neutrals need to be pulled out and the capitals dropped to 3. If I were playing this map, there would be no chance that I would attack either capital at a neutral 5... you're looking at killing 10 men for a bonus of 2. I think they're way too high.

Totally agree with Helix, capital regions should get their names from the cities. And yes, 5 neutrals are to high, I'd drop it to 3.

I love the graphics. I think you should keep the natural colors, like you said. It's unique to this map, and it's easy on the eyes. I love it. I do think it's kind of hard to see the bonus regions, but I'll manage.

Beautiful !! Might be my new favorite map

dalmatia was part of austria, not of bosnia. are u able to re-draw the border so that bosnia retains its distictive triangular shape? if dalmatia is added, then the bonus for austria naturally becomes +4 or +5 for 7 regions (instead of +3 for 6).

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/30248
http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/pub/slocrobosmap.html

Industrial Helix wrote:If I were playing this map, there would be no chance that I would attack either capital at a neutral 5... you're looking at killing 10 men for a bonus of 2. I think they're way too high.

agreed. 3 neutrals for the two capitals and 2 for non-capitals is more sensible.

ian.

Great map, but I think bonuses MUST be increased to improve gameplay.

All I can say this looks nice and ready

Maybe add some buildings for some variation?

Some minor changes:

Update 07 Sep

• All names of austrian empire are in german now
• Damatia is a part of austrian empire (added also on the minimap)
• Austrian bonus changed +4 for 7
• Shape of Serbia
• Dalmatia mountain moved to south
• Removed flags for capitals and added a small (and temporary) castle
• Now you have +1 autodeployed if hold a capital (maybe will change again)
• Some borders fixed
• Different green for land
• Increased visibility of zone border
• You have to hold all bosnia for bonus (3/3)

pamoa wrote:why are the German names in English and not the Hungarian

German names are now in german, Hungary names are in hungarian etc etc...

Industrial Helix wrote:I think you ought to name the capitals Vienna and Budapest.

I think that the starting neutrals need to be pulled out and the capitals dropped to 3. If I were playing this map, there would be no chance that I would attack either capital at a neutral 5... you're looking at killing 10 men for a bonus of 2. I think they're way too high.

Kabanellas wrote:Great, new font is a lot more readable. And the zone colour glow is quite perceptible now.
Having a bonus for holding both capitals makes perfect sense.
Totally agree with Helix, capital regions should get their names from the cities. And yes, 5 neutrals are to high, I'd drop it to 3.

Agree, i'm working on drop percentages i think that everything will work with the next update. About capitals, no more 5 neutrals. (will change in the next update)

Evil DIMwit wrote:Different underline styles perhaps?

I will try

iancanton wrote:dalmatia was part of austria, not of bosnia. are u able to re-draw the border so that bosnia retains its distictive triangular shape? if dalmatia is added, then the bonus for austria naturally becomes +4 or +5 for 7 regions (instead of +3 for 6).

Done

Thank you for all suggestions.
The next update comes soon.

you should invert Bosnia and Galicia text colour so Dalmatia is clearly not part of Bosnia
the 2 colours of Bosnia and Austria are too similar now
it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this

Bohemia
Galicia
Austria
Hungary
Transylvania
Bosnia

NIce looking map

I like the use of build-your-own bonuses.

The above point about colours is worth considering - the colour for Bohemia is so close to the background land colour that it loos like just white text. I like the graphics for the sea particularly. That lake is looking a bit dark perhaps?

Hey,

This map looks very good! Great progress has been made, I see.

A small suggestion for gameplay and/or graphics - how about adding some major railways?

Keep up the good work!

Thank you all for the suggestions.

I'll post a new update today/tomorrow.

Update 06 Oct

pamoa wrote:you should invert Bosnia and Galicia text colour so Dalmatia is clearly not part of Bosnia
the 2 colours of Bosnia and Austria are too similar now

Done

pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this

Bohemia
Galicia
Austria
Hungary
Transylvania
Bosnia

I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...i think that mixing values make eberything more chaotic.

DJ Teflon wrote:The above point about colours is worth considering - the colour for Bohemia is so close to the background land colour that it loos like just white text. I like the graphics for the sea particularly. That lake is looking a bit dark perhaps?

The new color is good ?

eigenvector wrote:A small suggestion for gameplay and/or graphics - how about adding some major railways?

I don't like the idea to have railways, but thank you for the suggestion

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Now the two capitals are SP with an underlying neutrals. These regions will start neutral in all games but not in 1vs1. (2 thrones theme in 1vs1 games). Random drop for all other regions.
With 40 starting regions i don't see big problems, except for games with 6 players (player will start with 6), but i can fix it later if it is a real issue.

I did some test with the bonus. With the current number only Bohemia could be a problem:
Results with 4 total regions and 3 required:
2 players --> 9% that A player will start with this bonus and 18% that ANY player will start with the bonus
3 players --> 9% and 28%
4 players --> 4% and 16%
All other results (see the spoiler)

show: 3 required

If this is a problem i can change the bonus in 4 regions 4 required with the bigger percentage to start with a bonus around 1,56% (see the spoiler)
In this case i have to change the bonus value to +2? and in the same way galicia and transylvania +3?

show: 4 required

pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this

Bohemia
Galicia
Austria
Hungary
Transylvania
Bosnia

thenobodies80 wrote:I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...I think that mixing values make everything more chaotic.

geographical order is to make easy for someone to find which region get which bonus
if you really want to keep your numeric order
then you have to put the names of regions on the map
so one can find what bonus you got when you hold Temes + Hunyad + Maros-Torda + Csik + Hàromszèk by example
because nobody is supposed to know its transylvania
and your colour code is to weak to make the link

pamoa wrote:

pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this

Bohemia
Galicia
Austria
Hungary
Transylvania
Bosnia

thenobodies80 wrote:I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...I think that mixing values make everything more chaotic.

geographical order is to make easy for someone to find which region get which bonus
if you really want to keep your numeric order
then you have to put the names of regions on the map
so one can find what bonus you got when you hold Temes + Hunyad + Maros-Torda + Csik + Hàromszèk by example
because nobody is supposed to know its transylvania
and your colour code is to weak to make the link

I have to agree with pamoa with this as the colours do pose a slight problem having the order of the bonus go in geographic order makes it easier to figure out which is which

other than that why has that draft room supervisior not stickied this awesome looking map

I'm working on a different layouts, i think that at least one of them will be more clear.

Danyael wrote:why has that draft room supervisior not stickied this awesome looking map

Because i can't...

About this:

thenobodies80 wrote:Now the two capitals are SP with an underlying neutrals. These regions will start neutral in all games but not in 1vs1. (2 thrones theme in 1vs1 games). Random drop for all other regions.
With 40 starting regions i don't see big problems, except for games with 6 players (player will start with 6), but i can fix it later if it is a real issue.

I did some test with the bonus. With the current number only Bohemia could be a problem:
Results with 4 total regions and 3 required:
2 players --> 9% that A player will start with this bonus and 18% that ANY player will start with the bonus
3 players --> 9% and 28%
4 players --> 4% and 16%
All other results (see the spoiler)

show: 3 required

If this is a problem i can change the bonus in 4 regions 4 required with the bigger percentage to start with a bonus around 1,56% (see the spoiler)
In this case i have to change the bonus value to +2? and in the same way galicia and transylvania +3?

show: 4 required

Any thoughts? Is it good?

I'm going to put this map on vacation.
I think i can start to work again on it in two months.