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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Visually it's beautiful! Absolutely beautiful.

Agreed. I love the trees you've done also.
tnb80, i would have thought the bridges could have done with a something a little extra that was uncomplicated.
Is it possible to place some 88s or similar on the territories for us to see what territories are actually in play. I too am confused by the "thrones".
From the bottom right legend, the A-H Condominium appears to be part of both Empires, but it has its own bonus, i look at that graphic and think perhaps that area should be done in a slightly diferent colour than the other two, because it is confusing trying to work out what is what down there, plus it is a totally different non-themed colour in the map.
Great work so far. :)
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:29 pm

cairnswk wrote:Is it possible to place some 88s or similar on the territories for us to see what territories are actually in play. I too am confused by the "thrones".


Sure. :) (You can also test it directly using the map checker and the files in the first post)
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The thrones....i can change the text into the legend, something like: "can attack and be attacked from the territory with the same symbol inside it"....i don't know it looks very clear to me....first i need the territory, then i can "sit" on the throne. Even if I gave to it a legend appearance the upper left corner is just a sort of inset, similar to your snipers in stalingrad.

cairnswk wrote:From the bottom right legend, the A-H Condominium appears to be part of both Empires, but it has its own bonus, i look at that graphic and think perhaps that area should be done in a slightly diferent colour than the other two, because it is confusing trying to work out what is what down there, plus it is a totally different non-themed colour in the map.


Bosnia Herzegovina is NOT part of any empire. This is also historically accurate.
About the minimaps, can I ask you if in this old version the minimaps are more clear? --> viewtopic.php?f=64&t=91896&start=90#p2996552
I also tried a colored version...but i don't like it so much.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:29 am

Dukasaur wrote:Visually it's beautiful! Absolutely beautiful, without caveats or provisos! God I love it!

Gameplay-wise I have some reservations. A victory condition that can be satisfied by, basically, holding the centre of map will lead to a lot of quick, lopsided victories. I would, quite honestly, rather see this as a non-objective map. Or, if it must be an objectives map, go with a more complex victory condition.



Thanks, about victory condition....I not so keen in not having it. Afterall it's a dual monarchy map, i think that the "mission" to unite the two thrones fits perfectly.The current gameplay "force" also the players to run into the centre, that's in general a good thing. In addition neutrals should help to balance things - you need to take 3 neutral regions to reach just one throne - ...mmm :-k , let me see how it plays. If victory condition will create a problem I'll change it. ;)

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby MrBenn on Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:16 pm

          Beta - Quenching

---The Final Forge period has concluded for the Austro-Hungarian Empire Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Beta Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready for BETA Play. After an extended period of time in BETA and once all quirks and issues have been resolved, the map will be put into Full Play (barring any Lack vetoes).

Conquer Club, enjoy!

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:30 pm

\:D/ Woo! Can't wait 'til it's live! :D

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby theBastard on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:04 am

=D>
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:19 pm

I just noticed that the troop circle for Modrus slightly overlaps the troop circle for Lika. When I moused over the overlap, the little parallels in BOB that tell you where you can attack started flashing back and forth. Not a problem for me, but I wondered if it could lead to errors for those people that use clickable maps?
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Augustus Maximus on Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:11 am

I have played the map a couple of times now and I don't find anything very confusing about it. Both the Thrones and the Condominium are easy to understand. I think the map plays very well. I also like the background picture of the Kaiser Franz Josesph I. Kudos to the Mapmaker - the nobodies80.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:28 am

tnb80, congratulations on this one, it's a ripper :) =D>
a very nice addition to the stable sts.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby dagdam0r on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:29 am

great great map by my felllow countryman, congrats thenobodies
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby natty dread on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:53 am

I have to wonder if maybe the victory condition is a bit too easy... I'm not sure though, I've only played one game so far.

Other than that, great map, plays very nicely.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Obrens on Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:04 pm

The victory condition is not to easy. It is very unlikely that a player who is not the strongest could hold both thrones, and if a player is the strongest then he deserves to win. I think, though, that the map is unbalanced. It largely favors north-east outer layer. Only holdable bonuses in the beginning are Bohemia, Galicia and Lodomeria and Transylvania. And you could hold them all with need to defend only 1-3 terts depending on how much you can rely on neutrals to defend you. Although Bosnia may seem holdable, I've learned the hard way it is not. Also, Bohemia is easier to hold than Transylvania as it's neutral bordered territory is defended by 6 neutrals while Transylvania's is defended only by 3. You should probably make Bohemia a bit harder to take/hold. Also, isolate Bosnia a bit more and make it a holdable starting bonus.
I've played a few games on this map, only two of them recently, but I don't think I am wrong about anything I wrote. :D
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Obrens on Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:20 pm

Oh, I forgot two more things.
It shouldn't be Poszega but Pozsega.
"-Can attack and be attacked by the territory with the same symbol." is, as many already pointed out, very confusing. The first time I played this map I didn't understand what it means, so I just decided to ignore that part of the map completely.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby natty dread on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:16 am

If the strongest player takes the objective, it's very hard for the others to break it since you can only access it from 2 places on the map...

I'm just afraid it gives an advantage to those who drop near the thrones.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire

Postby Obrens on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:57 am

Look, it doesn't give an advantage to anyone because Hungary and Austria are impossible to hold, so the only reason someone would go for the thrones is to win the game. That won't happen too early in the game and the person who wants to hold them would have to prepare for it for some time, so it doesn't really mater how close he is. I mean, nobody can take and hold the objectives in the first five turns, right? I played some objective maps, and I have never seen a player win by holding the objectives unless he was absolutely dominant in the game. In my opinion it would be nice to have some map with easier objectives.
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