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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 7 - Sep - Pg.3

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:15 pm

Some minor changes:

Update 07 Sep

  • All names of austrian empire are in german now
  • Damatia is a part of austrian empire (added also on the minimap)
  • Austrian bonus changed +4 for 7
  • Shape of Serbia
  • Dalmatia mountain moved to south
  • Removed flags for capitals and added a small (and temporary) castle
  • Now you have +1 autodeployed if hold a capital (maybe will change again)
  • Some borders fixed
  • Different green for land
  • Increased visibility of zone border
  • You have to hold all bosnia for bonus (3/3)

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pamoa wrote:why are the German names in English and not the Hungarian

German names are now in german, Hungary names are in hungarian etc etc... ;)
Industrial Helix wrote:I think you ought to name the capitals Vienna and Budapest.

I think that the starting neutrals need to be pulled out and the capitals dropped to 3. If I were playing this map, there would be no chance that I would attack either capital at a neutral 5... you're looking at killing 10 men for a bonus of 2. I think they're way too high.

Kabanellas wrote:Great, new font is a lot more readable. And the zone colour glow is quite perceptible now.
Having a bonus for holding both capitals makes perfect sense.
Totally agree with Helix, capital regions should get their names from the cities. And yes, 5 neutrals are to high, I'd drop it to 3.

Agree, i'm working on drop percentages i think that everything will work with the next update. About capitals, no more 5 neutrals. (will change in the next update)
Evil DIMwit wrote:Different underline styles perhaps?
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I will try ;)
iancanton wrote:dalmatia was part of austria, not of bosnia. are u able to re-draw the border so that bosnia retains its distictive triangular shape? if dalmatia is added, then the bonus for austria naturally becomes +4 or +5 for 7 regions (instead of +3 for 6).

Done

Thank you for all suggestions. :D
The next update comes soon.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 7Sep09 - Pg.3

Postby pamoa on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:03 am

you should invert Bosnia and Galicia text colour so Dalmatia is clearly not part of Bosnia
the 2 colours of Bosnia and Austria are too similar now
it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this
    Bohemia
    Galicia
    Austria
    Hungary
    Transylvania
    Bosnia
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 7Sep09 - Pg.3

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:29 pm

NIce looking map =D> =D>

I like the use of build-your-own bonuses.

The above point about colours is worth considering - the colour for Bohemia is so close to the background land colour that it loos like just white text. I like the graphics for the sea particularly. That lake is looking a bit dark perhaps?
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 7Sep09 - Pg.3

Postby eigenvector on Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:53 pm

Hey,

This map looks very good! Great progress has been made, I see. :D

A small suggestion for gameplay and/or graphics - how about adding some major railways?

Keep up the good work!
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 7Sep09 - Pg.3

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:03 am

Thank you all for the suggestions. =D>

I'll post a new update today/tomorrow.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 6 Oct - Pg.3

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:29 pm

Update 06 Oct

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pamoa wrote:you should invert Bosnia and Galicia text colour so Dalmatia is clearly not part of Bosnia
the 2 colours of Bosnia and Austria are too similar now


Done ;)

pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this

Bohemia
Galicia
Austria
Hungary
Transylvania
Bosnia


I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...i think that mixing values make eberything more chaotic.

DJ Teflon wrote:The above point about colours is worth considering - the colour for Bohemia is so close to the background land colour that it loos like just white text. I like the graphics for the sea particularly. That lake is looking a bit dark perhaps?


The new color is good ? 8-[

eigenvector wrote:A small suggestion for gameplay and/or graphics - how about adding some major railways?


I don't like the idea to have railways, but thank you for the suggestion ;)

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Now the two capitals are SP with an underlying neutrals. These regions will start neutral in all games but not in 1vs1. (2 thrones theme in 1vs1 games). Random drop for all other regions.
With 40 starting regions i don't see big problems, except for games with 6 players (player will start with 6), but i can fix it later if it is a real issue.

I did some test with the bonus. With the current number only Bohemia could be a problem:
Results with 4 total regions and 3 required:
2 players --> 9% that A player will start with this bonus and 18% that ANY player will start with the bonus
3 players --> 9% and 28%
4 players --> 4% and 16%
All other results (see the spoiler)
show: 3 required

If this is a problem i can change the bonus in 4 regions 4 required with the bigger percentage to start with a bonus around 1,56% (see the spoiler)
In this case i have to change the bonus value to +2? and in the same way galicia and transylvania +3?
show: 4 required

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 6 Oct - Pg.3

Postby pamoa on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:06 am

pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this
    Bohemia
    Galicia
    Austria
    Hungary
    Transylvania
    Bosnia

thenobodies80 wrote:I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...I think that mixing values make everything more chaotic.

geographical order is to make easy for someone to find which region get which bonus
if you really want to keep your numeric order
then you have to put the names of regions on the map
so one can find what bonus you got when you hold Temes + Hunyad + Maros-Torda + Csik + Hàromszèk by example
because nobody is supposed to know its transylvania
and your colour code is to weak to make the link
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 6 Oct09 - Pg.3

Postby Danyael on Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:40 pm

pamoa wrote:
pamoa wrote:it is also better if you reorder your bonus legend in a geographical order like this
    Bohemia
    Galicia
    Austria
    Hungary
    Transylvania
    Bosnia

thenobodies80 wrote:I don't like the idea, now bonuses are listed from smallest to largest...I think that mixing values make everything more chaotic.

geographical order is to make easy for someone to find which region get which bonus
if you really want to keep your numeric order
then you have to put the names of regions on the map
so one can find what bonus you got when you hold Temes + Hunyad + Maros-Torda + Csik + Hàromszèk by example
because nobody is supposed to know its transylvania
and your colour code is to weak to make the link


I have to agree with pamoa with this as the colours do pose a slight problem having the order of the bonus go in geographic order makes it easier to figure out which is which

other than that why has that draft room supervisior not stickied this awesome looking map
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 6 Oct09 - Pg.3

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:09 pm

I'm working on a different layouts, i think that at least one of them will be more clear.

Danyael wrote:why has that draft room supervisior not stickied this awesome looking map


Because i can't... ](*,) :lol:

About this:
thenobodies80 wrote:Now the two capitals are SP with an underlying neutrals. These regions will start neutral in all games but not in 1vs1. (2 thrones theme in 1vs1 games). Random drop for all other regions.
With 40 starting regions i don't see big problems, except for games with 6 players (player will start with 6), but i can fix it later if it is a real issue.

I did some test with the bonus. With the current number only Bohemia could be a problem:
Results with 4 total regions and 3 required:
2 players --> 9% that A player will start with this bonus and 18% that ANY player will start with the bonus
3 players --> 9% and 28%
4 players --> 4% and 16%
All other results (see the spoiler)
show: 3 required

If this is a problem i can change the bonus in 4 regions 4 required with the bigger percentage to start with a bonus around 1,56% (see the spoiler)
In this case i have to change the bonus value to +2? and in the same way galicia and transylvania +3?
show: 4 required


Any thoughts? Is it good?

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Vacation untill December

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:35 pm

I'm going to put this map on vacation.
I think i can start to work again on it in two months.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [Coming Back to Life]

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:31 am

With Cyprus almost finished i've decided to restart to work on this project....

i'm planning some changes but while i'm working on the next update, i'd like to hear some fresh suggestions about any possible gameplay improvement.

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:52 am

Cool! Nice to see a map of this caliber back in business :)
That being said, I think it'd be nice to have more than just the territory names colored to show the bonus areas on the map.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:44 am

Yayy, I love this map! ;)
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:27 pm

Thank you, natty
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby Obrens on Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:30 pm

First of all, it's not Zagrab, but Zagreb, and it's displaced. It should be in Belovar's place.
You could add that the Bosnian regions are neutral, as Bosnia became part of Austria-Hungary in 1908. - right before the WWI. Holding Croatia and Slavonia could be worth +2 (since they did have a certain level of autonomy). The regions are: Zagreb, Belovar, Pozsega and Lika-Kravaba.
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