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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby DimnjacarStef on Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:00 am

Idea is great. I just want to say something about the names.
I'm from Croatia, so I must warn u :D.
First of all: it's not Zagrab but Zagreb and it's misplaced. Real Zagreb is exactly on your border between Zagreb an Belovar. U can redraw the border more to the south and then u'll have Zagreb on the north and Karlovac on the south. Also, Belovar is Bjelovar if u want to keep this name of the territorry.
2. Poszega is ok but it will be more correct to call it Slavonia or Slavonien in German
3. Lika-Kravaba does not mean anything. Kravaba does not exist. U can call it only Lika. Krbava (u wrote Kravaba) is river in Lika
4. Dalmatien- it's ok if u want to have german names, but also u can call it Dalmatia

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby Obrens on Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:45 pm

DimnjacarStef wrote:First of all: it's not Zagrab but Zagreb and it's misplaced.

That's kinda what I said, isn't it? :roll:
Yeah, I was also wondering what's Kravaba, but since I'm not from Croatia I assumed it was just my lack of knowledge, but it obviously isn't.
Znas, pretpostavlja se da ime Zabrega potice od zagrabiti, tako da je mozda ovo neko namerno napisao, ali posto vidim ostale greske, sumnjam.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:20 pm

english please! [-X

Anyway, thank you for all your suggestions :)
Maybe i've taken the names from a wrong map, but i don't remember exactly...maybe it's just a typo.
I should be able to post an update in a couple of days....and just to be sure i'll recheck all names ;)
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby mviola on Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:35 pm

My family is from Sud Tirol on the map. That isn't how it's spelled. Its Südtirol in German or Alto Adige in Italian. However the whole region should be called Trentino-Südtirol as this reflects the region shown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige/Südtirol
Check the map on the top of the page.

Edit- Copy and paste it into the search bar. The forum doesn't like the umlaut.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:59 am

It was written without the umlaut just because it was more simple for me to write (with the italian keyboard layout) on a map draft. :P
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby Obrens on Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:26 am

thenobodies80 wrote:english please! [-X

Impossible to talk about the etymology of the name in English, cause the name doesn't come from Engliush, duh.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby mviola on Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:27 am

thenobodies80 wrote:It was written without the umlaut just because it was more simple for me to write (with the italian keyboard layout) on a map draft. :P
The definitive version will have the umlaut.

I figured you knew because you're Italian :D
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [coming back to life]

Postby theBastard on Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:54 pm

nice map, I like idea with geographic look.

could you remove one bridge from Poszega (there are two) and add one between Tolna and Pest (which could also represent the unification - connection of both old towns Buda, Pest)?
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Vacation again :(

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:56 am

RL has become hectic, it forces me to put this project on vacation again, at least for a month or two.
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - [Vacation for 1 or 2 months]

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:06 pm

awww :(
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Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:11 am

Working on this one again, new graphic, new gameplay.....i'll update the thread later, for now just a preview without the details. Need to sleep now! :P

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - New Version! pg. 4

Postby natty dread on Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:33 am

Nice!
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - New Version! pg. 4

Postby Teflon Kris on Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:00 am

Very Nice

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - New Version! pg. 4

Postby iancanton on Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:36 am

[moved] to the gameplay workshop. happy new year, nobodies!

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - New Version! pg. 4

Postby The Bison King on Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:07 am

well this is exciting!
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - New Version! pg. 4

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:52 pm

Wow that is a beautiful update. Something about the mountains though... I think the shadows are too dark and nothing else on the map has that level of darkness. They could use some more integration with the land as well... like a smoother transition from land to mountains. And the river is too uniform to fit with the very natural look of this map... so vary it in width in some places I think.

As for gameplay, shouldn't Tolna be Buda as Pest is on the other side of the river?

I feel like Austria ought to be more defensible given that it was the dominant state in the Empire. I figure, with historical maps, the areas that were dominant ought to be the more logical bonus a player ought to go for... in this case, its more like a transilvanian or Galacian empire. What about dividing Austria into two smaller, easier to attain bonuses? Or just increasing the impassables or fudging the borders.

Given the above, maybe reduce Galacia by 1 so the bonus is 2.

Your legend ought to read mountains, forests, rivers and lakes.

The dynamics of the thrones should be interesting and positive. I think it will prevent a player from stacking in an easy bonus and scoring the win. Players, I think, will need to fight two fronts, one for quick and easy bonuses and the other for the thrones. Any idea what kind of neutrals they will be packing?

I think and Autodeploy of 1 ought to be sufficient as we don't want the stacks to get too high too quickly as to make the thrones impossible to secure.

Lastly, I think the title could use a c. 1914 or something to indicate the era. I mean, if it were 1900 then Bosnia wouldn't be playable or if it were before 1868 it would be just the Austrian Empire.

Anyway, it's look great. i can't wait to play this one!
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Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 02 Jan

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:06 pm

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DimnjacarStef wrote:First of all: it's not Zagrab but Zagreb and it's misplaced. Real Zagreb is exactly on your border between Zagreb an Belovar. U can redraw the border more to the south and then u'll have Zagreb on the north and Karlovac on the south. Also, Belovar is Bjelovar if u want to keep this name of the territorry.
2. Poszega is ok but it will be more correct to call it Slavonia or Slavonien in German
3. Lika-Kravaba does not mean anything. Kravaba does not exist. U can call it only Lika. Krbava (u wrote Kravaba) is river in Lika
4. Dalmatien- it's ok if u want to have german names, but also u can call it Dalmatia


Zagreb should be in the right place now. Bjelovar was fixed.
Pozega borders were changed from the old version, is it good now?
Krbava removed.
Dalmatia fixed.

Industrial Helix wrote:Wow that is a beautiful update. Something about the mountains though... I think the shadows are too dark and nothing else on the map has that level of darkness. They could use some more integration with the land as well... like a smoother transition from land to mountains. And the river is too uniform to fit with the very natural look of this map... so vary it in width in some places I think.


Mountains have now a lighter shadow. The river, i know it sucks. I'll take care of it asap. Also the lake ;)

Industrial Helix wrote:As for gameplay, shouldn't Tolna be Buda as Pest is on the other side of the river?


Buda is placed inside pest, what is labelled with tolna on the map are Fejer and Tolna merged together.
Some places or borders could be slightly changed for gameplay reasons, you know. :)

Industrial Helix wrote:I feel like Austria ought to be more defensible given that it was the dominant state in the Empire. I figure, with historical maps, the areas that were dominant ought to be the more logical bonus a player ought to go for... in this case, its more like a transilvanian or Galacian empire. What about dividing Austria into two smaller, easier to attain bonuses? Or just increasing the impassables or fudging the borders.

Given the above, maybe reduce Galacia by 1 so the bonus is 2.


I've modified the borders, now kustenland border only with carniola, so austria has a total of 4 borders to defend.
Galicia is 3 because the distance from the austrian throne; you need to pass through 3 to reach the throne, on the opposite austria and hungary were lowered by 1 for the same reason.
I thought about to focus more on austria and hungary, i came up with a strange idea using adjusting reinforcements, but it was something too tricky...
Anyway if you have a good idea playing with bonuses / reinforcements, etc ... :mrgreen:

Industrial Helix wrote:Your legend ought to read mountains, forests, rivers and lakes.


Done

Industrial Helix wrote:The dynamics of the thrones should be interesting and positive. I think it will prevent a player from stacking in an easy bonus and scoring the win. Players, I think, will need to fight two fronts, one for quick and easy bonuses and the other for the thrones. Any idea what kind of neutrals they will be packing?

I think and Autodeploy of 1 ought to be sufficient as we don't want the stacks to get too high too quickly as to make the thrones impossible to secure.


About neutrals i was thinking about 3 for Upper austria, moravia, tolna, bacs bodrog, bihar. The same for lower austria and pest? they give access to the thrones, maybe 4 instead of 3?
Thrones must have higher values, i think. 5/10?
Dual monarchy, i thought about it with a bigger value at the start (15?), then it resets to 2.

Industrial Helix wrote:Lastly, I think the title could use a c. 1914 or something to indicate the era.


Added.

More thoughts about values are welcome! :D
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 02 Jan

Postby theBastard on Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:15 am

very nice Nobodies. I like this "natural" style from start...

some my notices:

the mountains need another colour. do them a little more brown/green/grey (the grey as you have now could be at the top of the highest hills.

+ to Helix´s notice - river and lake look as they are higher as land.

about names - there is question whit which versions you can go. becaue you use somewhere German names, somewhere Hungarian names, somewhere sllavs names. and maybe all regions could be names by regions - some regions have name by region, some by town. (just tell me if you can change it, I can help you with research ;) )

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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 02 Jan

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:33 pm

Slap me silly and pay the bartender 80 nobodies! Its back! Lookin pretty fine, sly guy!
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:14 pm

Some changes:
  1. Istria replaced kustenland, borders were changed
  2. Northern, Central and Southern Bohemia instead of Liberec, Plzen and Ceske Budejovice.
  3. Cracow, Rzeszow, Lviv, Tarnopol replace Beskidy, Galicia Roztocze and Gotogori
  4. Poszega instead of Pozega
  5. Syrmia instead of Srijem
  6. Some work on lake and rivers, i've added two new rivers (Tisza and Mures approximately) and changed some hungarian borders

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Thoughts about bonus values, starting neutrals? Anything gameplay related? 8-[
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby The Bison King on Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:49 pm

Looking great I love it!

Gameplay suggestion: what about a larger bonus for holding all (or a large percent) of either Austria or Hungary?
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:30 am

looks great now.
I do not exactly understand - "Borders with the territory with the same symbol"...

The Bison King wrote:Gameplay suggestion: what about a larger bonus for holding all (or a large percent) of either Austria or Hungary?


maybe reduce other bonuses (Bohemia, Transylvania +1, Galicia/Londomeria +2, Croatia/Slavonia, Bosnia&Hercegovina +3, Austria, Hungary +5) and do larger bonuses for all (Cisleithanian + 4, Transleithanian +4)?

why is Transleithanian bonus twice larger as Cisleithanian bonus? I thin to secure all Austria is not easier as secure all Hungary...
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:19 am

My comp is showing question marks instead of your images now, nobodies. Is it just me?
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:33 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:My comp is showing question marks instead of your images now, nobodies. Is it just me?


I can see update in the first post and also in this page...
check your comp ;)
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Re: Austro-Hungarian Empire - Update 05 Jan

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:06 pm

Lol, now its working.
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Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (3) Freestyle Achievement (3) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)
General Achievement (9) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (1) General Contribution (6)

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