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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:32 pm

Yes the latest one seems fine wrt. coordinates.

But I still think the dwarf territories could be explained better.
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby AndrewB on Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:47 pm

I will let Kab to answer it.

I had problems with the Dwarfs' territories and bonus myself. But was persuaded that is it ok the way it is now. :)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:56 pm

Its pretty much this:

-Gateways and Strongholds are connected by underground passways.
-You get access to the passways by those Gateways.
-From the Strongholds you can one-way assault the region their built in (ex: Damkianna Stronghold one-way assaults Damkianna Region)
-1 Gateway combined with X Strongholds will yield X number of troops
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:24 pm

ergh....

I know how it is. What I'm saying is it needs to be explained better in the map. You can't expect every player to come to the thread to read the rules, all rules should be crystal clear by looking at the map.

Now, I have some ideas for how to accomplish this...

The part where you have the symbol of the Dwarf gateway, and next to it text "Dwarves' Gateway". With some slight moving of the other texts and symbols, you could fit in the text "Dwarves' Gateway - attacks strongholds via passages"

Another option would be to just make a new text, something like this:

Dwarven Strongholds / Gateways
- all connected by underground passages
- Gateways can be assaulted by adjacent regions
- Strongholds can assault adjacent regions

(by the way, I strongly urge you to use "adjacent" in place of "surrounding" here. Surrounding is more vague, Adjacent makes it clear that it means territories directly next to them)

Something like this. But in the current state, you will be sure to receive a flood of complaints from people who fail to understand how the gateway/stronghold territories work, because it is not clearly explained in the legend.

You don't want to make another farming map, now do you? ;)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby AndrewB on Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:45 pm

natty_dread wrote:Dwarven Strongholds / Gateways
- all connected by underground passages
- Gateways can be assaulted by adjacent regions
- Strongholds can assault adjacent regions


You got in the same trap I did, it seems.

The proper statement is this:

- Gateways can assault and be assaulted by adjacent region (It is singular here, not plural. There is only 1 region a gateway is adjacent to)
- Strongholds can assault adjacent region (same singular here)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:01 pm

Well that just proves my point, the way they are currently explained is too confusing. Make a new "box" in the legend explaining both in the way I described, and it will be much more clear.

So, the legend should say:

Dwarves' Gateways & Strongholds
- all are connected by underground passages
- Gateways can assault & be assaulted by adjacent territories
- Strongholds can assault adjacent territories

The plural is there because there are multiple Gateways, btw... thus multiple territories that connect to Gateways.
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:10 pm

Actually this is all in the legend board

-Gateways and Strongholds are connected by underground passways.

in the second legend box there's a brief explanation with the red dotted line that symbolizes that connection in the map. Pretty visible in the map in my opinion.

-You get access to the passways by those Gateways.

no doubts here I think, being the 'gateway' as stated by the name itself and the 2 little pointing arrows the entrance for the passways.

-From the Strongholds you can one-way assault the region they're built in (ex: Damkianna Stronghold one-way assaults Damkianna Region)

said in different words in the second legend box: Can one way assault the surrounding region.
I could change it for: Can one way assault the region they're built in. - maybe this could be more comprehensible?.....
EDIT: when playing this will be quite clear, because you will actually read Damkianna Stronghold so the region they're built in will have to be Damkianna
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:23 pm

I just think it would be much more clear if the passages, gateways and strongholds were all explained in one place. Right now, you got to find gateway in one place, connect it with the passages (if you manage to find it under the stronghold explanation), find the strongholds in another place... and then calculate 1+1...

I could change it for: Can one way assault the region they're built in.


:-s that'd just be more confusing...


Gateways and Strongholds are connected by underground passways.


This is in the legend, but it is under strongholds only. It makes it a bit unclear if it means both the gateways & strongholds, or strongholds only.

-You get access to the passways by those Gateways.


This in itself is confusing. You get access to the underground passes... but the passes are not territories, so it would be much easier if it was just plainly spelled out: "Gateways & Strongholds are connected by u.g. passages".

-From the Strongholds you can one-way assault the region they're built in (ex: Damkianna Stronghold one-way assaults Damkianna Region)


This I think is quite clear, but again it implies that the same is not possible from the Gateways... never underestimate the casual player's ability to misunderstand ;)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:52 pm

Ok,
I’m proposing the following changes, though, (and I must reiterate this) I’m pretty sure that after a first experimental game any doubts ill dissipate concerning this matter.

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-Where it says:
‘can one way assault the adjacent region’
it will say
‘can one way assault the region they’re built in’
thinking about it, makes perfect sense. It will help to make the connection as I’ve exemplified in the last post
(Damkianna Stronghold in this example the region they're built in will have to be Damkianna)
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In the first legend box I’ll add, below 'Dwarves’ Gateway':

'Connected to Strongholds by underground passways'
-doted red line below-
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:00 pm

‘can one way assault the region they’re built in’


How about "can one way assault the region they occupy"
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:09 pm

well, I just think that 'built' word gives a more realistic flavour.

And Strongholds here are like the Gates and tunnels of Moria from the Lord Of The Rings. Enormous chambers, corridors and halls built by the Dwarves inside the Misty mountains :)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:14 pm

Yes... but isn't the foundry guideline "function over form"?

Anyway, it's not a big deal. Just do it your way, if it results in lots of complaints in the beta stage you can always change it.
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:37 am

Changes done!!!! posted in 1st page.

Also, we have an OK from Forza concerning the XML.
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby fumandomuerte on Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:26 pm

Smells like a classic around here :)
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Re: The Dawn Of Ages[D,Gp,Gr] - XML V3 - Pg1

Postby Kabanellas on Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:09 am

That's inspiring!! :)

fumandomuerte wrote:Smells like a classic around here :)
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