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Re: SILLY MID-ON

Postby neanderpaul14 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:10 pm

Cool idea....maybe I will learn about cricket by playing on this map :) :)
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Re: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:57 pm

Dexsting wrote:...For the bowler & streaker, put thier names on the right side so they're not in the way of the Deep-Offside 4 dotted line.
Ah, for those i like to have tert names to the left of the army numbers or over them or under them, so that numbers don't cut names off and stop them from being read while players are quickly tkaing up games, and belive me, some players don't look well enough at names. I'll follow this through and see of there isn't an alternative there in that position.
Not sure if there's room, but can we call the two battsman Striking Batsman and Non-striking Batsman instead of 1 and 2 (or S Batsman and NS Batsman)?
I think the S & NS Batsman should start neutral, so someone doesn't end up having a battsman and fielder to start and gets negative right away. And should the Deep Leg forward four also have a 3 neutral?

I'd prefer not to. This map for the unititated and those who don't bother to read the cricket instructions, would not understand it and it would only make it more confusing. Batsman 1 & 2 give some idea of where the game is at, and that also conincides with the scenario text in the header.
For nuetrals, i'll fix that in version 2. Good idea.

I'm not sure spectator and a six deserves a bonus...that could get out of hand pretty quick and I wouldn't think winning via the stands would be that fun.
Done, although some players may want that back again later on.

Maybe add some more bonuses for "All Spectators", "All Taverns", "Police Room and all Police" and "All Media Center"?
Done

There's no names for the three public areas on the bottom left.
Done, the map wasn't finished ;)

Could the Striking Batter maybe be able to one-way attack the sixes? That might be too overpowered, but it might work.
Done

The Long-on 4 doesn't have a fielder you need to go through to get it. Maybe the bonus requiring the fielder, battsman, and the four should just require the batsman and the four. Adding the fielder I think would just add confusing as to which fielder, and then the Long-on 4 doesn't need a fielder moved. And since you need to go through a fielder anyways to get to a 4 I think its just extra complication that's unnecessary. Maybe make the battsman and a four bonus worth 2 ('cause they'll likely have at least one fielder, and that way if you have both battsman and a 4, you actually get a bonus of +4). In the same logic, maybe make the batter and a six bonus +3?
I really like the minus for if you have a fielder and a batter; the sides need to choose whether they go the fielding route or the batting route :)

Here's the go with the fours and fielders.
For gameplay, there has to be a way linking the batsmen to the fielders, and this occurs via the fielding positions on the inside of the fours. Now in a game, most batsmen try to get a four (same as home run in Baseball) but they have to put greater effort into it, so if a p[layer on batsman attacks to get a four and they don't succeed getting the four position on the boundary, then they're likely to get stuck on the fielding position, and lose a bonus -1 (the equivalent of getting out) and giving the fielding team a chance at knocking them out also. I thnk it is absolutely necessary to have these connection opportunities. As for bonuses, -1 for getting caught at a fielding position, or +2 for gaining the four is good ithink.

Small misspell in the legend: "Batsman 1 lilinks with Batsman 2"

Fixed.

Can you make the blue police line from the police room to PC3 more blue or more distictive? Its hard to notice and seems the same colors as the lines in the outfield.
Done

Do the fours connect with the stands at all? Its hard to tell. Maybe some of them do and some don't, just be more obvious about it?
NO. Fixed i hope
Well, lunchtime for me. Hope these comments help :) I'm excited for this map!

Good, i'm please for you being excited :)
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Re: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:58 pm

neanderpaul14 wrote:Cool idea....maybe I will learn about cricket by playing on this map :) :)

Yes that might happen.
Meanwhile, basic gameplay is completed.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Dexsting on Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:15 pm

A comment on the Batsman and a four bonus...I agree with you that the batter should go through the fielder to get a four, I'm just saying does the batter also need to -hold- a fielder? I think just holding the four and the batter is necessary. It'll also eliminate confusion because now it could be read that if you have -any- fielder and the four and batter you can get the bonus. And the Long-on Four doesn't have a fielder, but you should still get the bonus for it if you get it. (I also like having one four that you don't have to go through a fielder to get.)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:26 pm

Dexsting wrote:A comment on the Batsman and a four bonus...I agree with you that the batter should go through the fielder to get a four, I'm just saying does the batter also need to -hold- a fielder? I think just holding the four and the batter is necessary. It'll also eliminate confusion because now it could be read that if you have -any- fielder and the four and batter you can get the bonus. And the Long-on Four doesn't have a fielder, but you should still get the bonus for it if you get it. (I also like having one four that you don't have to go through a fielder to get.)

Mmmm. Dilema. Let me got back on that one until i think it through ;)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:04 pm

Only Cairnswk can take a simple sport and make it into a complex map. Sweet! This map has promise. I will be following this map closely. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:09 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Only Cairnswk can take a simple sport and make it into a complex map. Sweet! This map has promise. I will be following this map closely. :)

Do you think it's too complex? I was trying to give some small continents, but if you have suggestions, i'd be glad to hear them.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:12 pm

While I am not the biggest complex map fan I understand they have a place in CC. With that said this one really pushes the limits. That field looks like it could be a mess. People will be looking at this one asking themselves what attacks what! It just looks so crowded. Maybe that is just me.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Bruceswar wrote:While I am not the biggest complex map fan I understand they have a place in CC. With that said this one really pushes the limits. That field looks like it could be a mess. People will be looking at this one asking themselves what attacks what! It just looks so crowded. Maybe that is just me.

Yeh, :-k Bruceswar, the fielding team is marked in the legend and each member has contact with every other member (via throwing and catching) therefore they all have ability to be assaulted). The fours and sixes are easy bonuses if you get them.
the grandstand and the public areas are standard play. I'm sorry, but i don't know how to convey cricket at Lords any other way and not be all inclusive of the stand, pavillion and the requested features that were asked for initially.
I think, yes it is a little complex, but nothing someone who takes the time can get their head around. ;)
And yes there will be modifications (if the map goes ahead) but the gameplay is essentially all in the legend explanation, and if that is not clear, then i'd be happy to modify it to make it easier for people to understand. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby the.killing.44 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:27 pm

Sorry for being rather blunt, cairns, but is this for real?
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:33 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:Sorry for being rather blunt, cairns, but is this for real?

yeah!. why not? and i won't be offended ;) it's all about imagination and how you use it. ;)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby brian fletcher on Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:58 am

i appreciate the fact this is a mythical test match, but i wouldnt put the date in. for one thing the 1st test was in bristol, not lords. and whats the point when all you`ll get is us poms reminding you guys all the time how we gave you a sound thrashing that year at lords.... hahahaha
lots of spelling mistakes as usual cairnes but nothing that cant be corrected at a later time.
i take it that the -1 for holding a fielder and batsman is not escalating? what i mean is... should you happen to have a batsman at the crease and another in the balcony and you held 2 fielders, would you score -2? or even if you held 1 batsman and 2 fielders... would it be -1 for each fielder?
in the legend you say that its TEA. well 12th man wouldnt come out with drinks at tea. each session last 2 hours... start of play til lunch. lunch til tea, tea til close of play. drinks are brought onto the field after an hour of play has elapsed. sorry for being pedantic on that point but someone will bring it up.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:28 am

brian fletcher wrote:...
lots of spelling mistakes as usual cairnes but nothing that cant be corrected at a later time.
...

please now, so that i don't cop it from everyone else... ;)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby brian fletcher on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:59 am

you asked for it.... lol
Australia are challenging England.
in the legend on the right hand side youve put... feidling. should be fielding
on the balcony the wickety should just be WK
you must have corrected some since i last looked because thats all i can see...
the team on the balcony... can they not just be numbered 3 - 11? it seems a mess and serves no real purpose.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby reggie_mac on Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:13 pm

We don't like cricket....



...oh no ....



We LOVE IT...

YEAH!!!!!
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby MrBenn on Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:07 pm

To be completely honest, if this map had been posted by anybody other than you, I am convinced that it would have been ripped to shreds, or ignored to disappear into obscurity.

This is clearly at a stage where it is more than an idea, and belongs in the drafting room, even though I'd much rather you spent your spare time and talent offering support and feedback to others.

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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:24 pm

MrBenn wrote:To be completely honest, if this map had been posted by anybody other than you, I am convinced that it would have been ripped to shreds, or ignored to disappear into obscurity.

This is clearly at a stage where it is more than an idea, and belongs in the drafting room, even though I'd much rather you spent your spare time and talent offering support and feedback to others.

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Thanks MrBenn :) obviously no sport maps have gotten thru the challenge of foundry.
This was done quickly and easily for a start and concept and will falter as usual if there is no interest "follow-thru".
Let's see what happens. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Dexsting on Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:26 pm

I have a feeling people will get behind this map because it'll open the floodgates for other sports maps!

Not sure if the idea is original or not, but the holding the "batter" and a "scoring play position" for a bonus and the "batter" and a "Defender" gives a negative is awesome and can transfer to other maps oncea ll the quirks get worked out.

Generic offense bonuses with offensive plays
Generic offense gets minuses with defenses
defense together can get bonuses (ignore offense, and if the offense tries to break the defense it penalizes them).
Stands, spectators, media, etc for additional bonuses/countries to make the map big enough.

I'm rooting for this map and hope it scores big!
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:25 pm

reggie_mac wrote:We don't like cricket....
...oh no ....
We LOVE IT...
YEAH!!!!!

reggie_mac...then get all those kiwis in that grandstand and fill it to the brim.
If this is successful, then maybe Rugby between NZ and the UK/OZ?


Dexsting wrote:I have a feeling people will get behind this map because it'll open the floodgates for other sports maps!
Not sure if the idea is original or not, but the holding the "batter" and a "scoring play position" for a bonus and the "batter" and a "Defender" gives a negative is awesome and can transfer to other maps oncea ll the quirks get worked out.
...I'm rooting for this map and hope it scores big!

Let's hope ti open a door 8-)
I don't know if the idea is original or not, but i think it quite apt for this gameplay and cricket.
If you're rooting for the map, then please ensure you fill the grandstands with supporters. :lol: :lol:

Generic offense bonuses with offensive plays
Generic offense gets minuses with defenses
defense together can get bonuses (ignore offense, and if the offense tries to break the defense it penalizes them).
Stands, spectators, media, etc for additional bonuses/countries to make the map big enough.

I'd be pleased to hear more on these above explained further towards the gameboard. :)


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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Hopscotcher on Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:17 pm

Please Excuse my Ignorance:

1. Why is it called Silly Mid-On. Is that a place?

2. What does the "Automatically Links to" mean in the right hand legend?

3. Is the Streaker.... Naked in Cricket? Like a crazed fan? or is that a position?

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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:19 pm

Hopscotcher wrote:Please Excuse my Ignorance:

Someone is not ignorant if they chose to learn Hopscotcher (in my eyes), thanks for asking. :)

1. Why is it called Silly Mid-On. Is that a place?

Silly mid-on is a field position in cricket. it is roughly just south of where the Batsman 2 name is.
If the map gets thru, it probably won't stick as the final title, but it is a bit of fun also.

2. What does the "Automatically Links to" mean in the right hand legend?

Means they can assault each other...perhaps needs rewording!

3. Is the Streaker.... Naked in Cricket? Like a crazed fan? or is that a position?
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Naked, yes. Crazed fan? Well yes and no, usually someone showing off to his mates/friends after a bit of alcohol induced bahaviour, and out for a laugh and someone with money or time to throw at the law. :lol:
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Hopscotcher on Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:27 am

Thanks Cairns!

I would think:

Keep the name, It's fun! This map looks like it could be a blast.

Change Automatically Links to: "can attack" or "is adjacent to"
fyi: I thought it meant they could attack each other, I just wasn't for certain

and as for the Streaker, Awesome! I'm usually that guy lol

I probably won't learn cricket by playing on this, but I'll try :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby brian fletcher on Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:57 am

the ashes is a 5 or sometimes 6 test series between australia and england. it is currently taking place at this precise moment. 1st test was drawn over the 5 days. 2nd test (at lords, which is where the map is represented). england won. 3rd test, on now, 2nd day, at edgebaston. so england are 1-0 up but as australia currently hold the ashes, england have to win them back. in other words, if the series is drawn then australia retain them.
there is a great sporting rivalry between aus and england, probably more so than any other 2 nations on earth. but the friendship and respect is immense, between supporters and competitors alike.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Dexsting on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:00 pm

http://www.seattlecricket.com/history/crick.htm

This site and its links to the more advanced parts of cricket is pretty awesome...

I hate my new job's filter, I can't see the maps :( Oh well. Have to review at home.

As someone had a question about the streaker and making sure they know he's not a special fielder or something from the people who don't know cricket, maybe saying, "Streaker - a nude fan has run onto the field harrassing the bowler and being chased by the police"?

Also, is it police at these games for real, or are they actually security guards?
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:24 pm

Dexsting wrote:http://www.seattlecricket.com/history/crick.htm

This site and its links to the more advanced parts of cricket is pretty awesome...

I hate my new job's filter, I can't see the maps :( Oh well. Have to review at home.

As someone had a question about the streaker and making sure they know he's not a special fielder or something from the people who don't know cricket, maybe saying, "Streaker - a nude fan has run onto the field harrassing the bowler and being chased by the police"?

Also, is it police at these games for real, or are they actually security guards?


I'll have a look at all this later Dexsting...but i have never been to this cricket "home", so i can't say if it is a streaker, but there is a police office on the ground. So....maybe Brian Fletcher could answer this. I know i've seen police on TV coverage.
The streaker idea is good, but that is only part of what's going on, and i don't know if fitting all that into the top is possible. I'll see.
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