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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby army of nobunaga on Mon May 10, 2010 9:13 pm

just played italian unification... Didnt think I would like it. It actually is a nice map. plays kinda sort of a little like the other italy map, but maybe Im just associating the italy thing unconsciously.

Got to say, yeti and oaktown need to watch out, because you are becoming one of my favorite mapmakers... some good epic players kind of maps coming out.

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue May 11, 2010 6:51 am

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. I'm having some fun on these maps as well, perhaps more than I did on 13 Colonies. We should play some games together...
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed May 12, 2010 11:30 am

I like the map.

It's a little hard to tell where "Elba" belongs. Can you clarify on the map?
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Robis on Tue May 25, 2010 3:33 am

Hi all. I'm going to have a match in the Italy map. I was wondering why you named the south of Italy as Cosenza. It should be Calabria (the southern region) and Lucania (the Norhtern region , that one between Napoli and Bari) .
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu May 27, 2010 6:27 pm

Sorry for the delayed responses guys but work and life have been kicking my ass.

@player57832 - Well, i personally think Elba is clear as day. It's right next to the island and the only words and numbers that go in the sea. I guess I'm open to suggestions. I thought about switching the numbers and words, but doubt it would do anything to clarify further where Elba is.

@Robis - I named them because the map I based this map on named them that. I think Cosenza is named that way because that's where Garibaldi landed during the war and forced the garrison of Naples to surrender. It was further grouped with Lucania to simplify the bonus region of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies.

I figured, CC already has a regional map of Italy and I didn't want to make the same map with different bonus regions, which is why many areas are named after battle areas rather than their regions.
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:36 pm

Sorry to be a pain; please could you post the updated file links (without tags) for me?

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Robis on Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:58 am

Industrial Helix wrote:@Robis - I named them because the map I based this map on named them that. I think Cosenza is named that way because that's where Garibaldi landed during the war and forced the garrison of Naples to surrender. It was further grouped with Lucania to simplify the bonus region of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies.



If with landed you mean where he touched the land once arrived from Sicily, it is surely not Cosenza, because where he landed is Melito, near Reggio Calabria. The name Cosenza is historically and gegoraphically uncorrect
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:20 pm

Alright, I double checked it on the maps and it seems I've made the mistake then. Garibaldi landed at Reggio... but you refer to it as Reggio Calabria... forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference?

I'm willing to run with Reggio or Reggio Calabria after you tell me what the difference between the two is. From the maps I've seen, it looks like Reggio is the actual place he landed... here's what I'm working off of:

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby jasnostj on Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:08 am

There are 2 Reggio's in Italy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggio
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:02 am

And I think the one we want is Reggio Calabria.
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:30 am

Alright guys, I updated the image and xml for Italy. It should now read Reggio Calabria rather than Cosenza.

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Enrico on Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:49 pm

Wikipedia says this: "Mentre forze borboniche attendevano lo sbarco garibaldino a Reggio, il 19 agosto Garibaldi prescelse un tragitto alquanto più lungo e sbarcò sulla spiaggia ionica di Melito Porto Salvo, in Calabria.", that means that while Borbons were waiting for Garibaldi in Reggio Calabria, he arrived in Melito Porto Salvo, that is on the jonian sea.
I think that the area now called "Reggio Calabria" (former Cosenza) is quite big for a single city, it should be named with the name of the whole region "Calabria".

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:39 am

I'm surprised no one's mentioned this already: I think Austria is terribly overvalued. If you hold that with Hungary and Oberpfalz, you're getting 7 bonus for 10 territories with just 2 borders, plus an auto-deploy, and good expansion potential. So far I've won 2 out of 2 games out of Austria-Hungary -- can anyone corroborate this suspicion?
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:22 am

Well, I wanted Austria to be strong but I think you make a good point. During the Italian Unification, it was Austria's strength that kept Italy from meeting major success. But plus 7 for 10 territories with two borders is pretty powerful.... any recommendations for lowering the bonus without making austria too weak?
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Evil DIMwit on Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:32 pm

(Right, of course I'm talking about German unification)
Maybe make an opening between Prag and Sachsen? The extra border to defend would go a long way.
If you're not keen on changing borders, I'd say lowering Austria's bonus to 4 seems appropriate. It's still a very good bonus to have then, but of course it also involves taking out 6 neutrals so I'm guessing it would balance out in the long run.
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:25 am

Yeah, I'm thinking lowering it to 4 would be a good idea.

I'm also thinking of increasing Ostprussia's bonuses by 1 because it bothers me that Prussia is so weak on this map. Thoughts?
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby MrBenn on Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:30 pm

I've played a gripping game on the Germany map, although would support the slight reduction for Austria (or the border change ED suggested).

The Italy game I'm on has turned into an 8 player build game, so cannot comment further on it really.

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:00 pm

I will say this, I'm loving the Germany map. The games are playing exactly the way I would like them to... basically a power balance in the center between France, Prussia and Austria...

Denmark is a little too powerful... but I'm fine with that.

So for Germany, lets reduce Austria to 4. I think that should do it. Someone also pointed out to me, the border between one of the Silesias and Austria needs clarification. So I'll hit that up soon as well.

As for Italy... that map needs a bonus re-evaluation. I'm open to thoughts... to be honest, I've been neglecting this map as the Germany has been much more fun. I'll play some more games on it and see where it goes.
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Postby Robis on Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:33 am

well, the osterreich bonus seems too much to me
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby JaneAusten on Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:22 pm

Hello. First time posting in the Map Foundry.

I'm currently playing an enjoyable game on the Unification Italy beta map and I just wanted to mention that I had no idea that Roma could attack Calatafimi until the player holding Roma took Calatafimi from me. I had thought that Roma could attack Cagliari only, and Cagliari could attack both Roma and Calatafimi. I had a large army in Cagliari and thought I was safe leaving 1 troop in Calatafimi and that it was blocked in. This didn't really effect me much in the grand scheme of this game, but I had thought I'd mention it here cause it wasn't clear to me and might be unclear to others playing the map the first time.

I did skim this thread before posting and saw that someone had asked before the map was released if the three were all connect to each other and I.Helix had confirmed yes. But my apologizes if I missed any mention of it elsewhere.

I think maybe making the white dotted lines have a triangular connection in the middle where they converge to connect to Cagliari will make this obviously clear.

And also, I think both the maps are lovely and fun to play. =)
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:39 am

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Well... I can see how the sea route can be misleading and if it weren't for that giant logo I regretfully came up with, then I might be able to make it real clear with separate connections. But, it is what it is. By triangular connection so you mean a triangle where the sea routes converge? If so, I think I can do that. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby ender516 on Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:45 am

If you do a triangle for Roma-Cagliari-Calatafimi, then for consistency, you should have one for Venezia-Marche-Lissa. Similar connections need similar graphics, or someone will think that there is supposed to be an asymmetry in the attack routes.
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Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:23 pm

A valid point... will do.
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Re: German/Italian Unif.[D, Gp, Gr] BETA, all files p.1

Postby JaneAusten on Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:44 pm

I.Helix -- Yup, a small triangle where the Roma-Cagliari and Calatafimi-Cagliari sea routes meet is what I meant. I didn't quite know what to call it exactly, but you totally got what I meant anyways.

I also agree with Ender about the Venezia-Marche-Lissa connection getting a triangle too. Both for continuity in the visuals of the map and clarity in gameplay. If I had been playing on the other side of the board, I wouldn't have thought Venezia and Marche connected either.
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