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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby Tiller on Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:58 am

Is there any chance that the World Cities map could be rolled out in tandem with this so that we get two at once? I know you're going for familiarity with this one, but it's the unfamiliarity of the other arrangement around the Atlantic that I like, the reversal breaks down the mental block I have against it. I never play Classic anything anymore because I got completely bored with looking at the same map (abstracted or not), at least WC changed the visual arrangement up so that I could get interested in it again. And putting out WC when this exists would maybe allow a few minor tweaks to gameplay that were refused to it before...
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby WidowMakers on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:40 am

Incandenza wrote:Hmmm, instead of having anchorage connect to seoul, how about replacing seoul with Petropavlovsk? Not a huge city by any stretch of the imagination, but it is the largest city in Kamchatka, giving the new map a nice symmetry with the old.

I agree. Northern Asia is quite bare right now. Plus it would give a nod back to Kamchatka as Inc has explained.

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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:43 am

MrBenn wrote:There are certain aspects of the revamp that are non-negotiable - these include the map projection (ie Americas on the left, Eurasia on the right),


that's fucking retarded, you've shoehorned a great map into a mold that it doesn't fit into for completely arbitrary reasons
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby padsta on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:44 am

I love this new map and can't wait for it to replace shapes. The only problem i have is asia looks a little cramped, why not utilise that bare patch in the north and spread it out a bit, other than that awesome work sully
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby pamoa on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:55 am

I love this new version of the classic map
great graphics
but
why did Istanbul 13 millions inhabitants transform in Athens 4 millions inhabitants
what would be Europe without Paris
where is Beijing
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:16 am

pamoa wrote:I love this new version of the classic map
great graphics
but
why did Istanbul 13 millions inhabitants transform in Athens 4 millions inhabitants
what would be Europe without Paris
where is Beijing


Since the bonus region is now named Europe (and not Europe + Mediterranean) I thought Athens was more appropriate. Istanbul has a lot of European influence, but is on the Asian continent. It's certainly a much bigger city, but it's hard to argue that Athens isn't "worldly". Anyway, I can be swayed on this one for sure.

Paris seems to be an impossibility based on it's proximity to it's neighbors. As you may know, I tried Paris when this map was first made, and it just doesn't fit between Madrid/London/Rome unfortunately. I know it's the biggest shame of the map at the moment.

Beijing was knocked off for a Shanghai/Seoul combo in this edition which I think was a fairly good trade. As you can see by the other version floating through this thread I used to have Beijing and then some less famous Asian cities (Magadan). It seems like people would prefer a more spread out Asia with less populous cities. Please refer to the other version and let me know if you think that is an improvement.

I kind of like the current Asia though. It feels cramped, but Asian cities ARE cramped. Western Russia feels sparse and it IS sparse. I suppose to be consistent I would have to eliminate cities like Anchorage and Edmonton and add Toronto/Atlanta or something to that effect. Let me know if that sounds workable, or if spread out cities are preferred over the biggest world cities.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby saaimen on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:30 am

I'd stick with important world cities. Indeed Toronto and Atlanta sound more familiar.

Nice revamp though that wasn't your original intention.
One thing though, don't take this personal... I'd drop the skyline. Keep it pure.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby yeti_c on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:37 am

pamoa wrote:what would be Europe without Paris


A better place?

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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby pamoa on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:45 am

pamoa wrote:what would be Europe without Paris

yeti_c wrote:A better place?

it's true I forget London is now part of the American Empire ;)

sully800 wrote:Paris seems to be an impossibility based on it's proximity to it's neighbors. As you may know, I tried Paris when this map was first made, and it just doesn't fit between Madrid/London/Rome unfortunately. I know it's the biggest shame of the map at the moment.

then why not Brussels as Europe "capital" instead of Berlin

sully800 wrote:... Istanbul has a lot of European influence, but is on the Asian continent...

well you need to look more closely to your map as it is mainly on the north-western side of the Bosphorus which is in ... Europe
so maybe can you reconsider it

for the Anchorage Edmonton Astana case I understand you needed some cities up there even if everybody knows it impossible to live there :lol:
maybe Calgary instead of Edmonton as it was an Winter Olympics spot
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:39 am

WidowMakers wrote:
Incandenza wrote:Hmmm, instead of having anchorage connect to seoul, how about replacing seoul with Petropavlovsk? Not a huge city by any stretch of the imagination, but it is the largest city in Kamchatka, giving the new map a nice symmetry with the old.

I agree. Northern Asia is quite bare right now. Plus it would give a nod back to Kamchatka as Inc has explained.

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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby Evil DIMwit on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:09 am

sully800 wrote:
pamoa wrote:I love this new version of the classic map
great graphics
but
why did Istanbul 13 millions inhabitants transform in Athens 4 millions inhabitants
what would be Europe without Paris
where is Beijing


Since the bonus region is now named Europe (and not Europe + Mediterranean) I thought Athens was more appropriate. Istanbul has a lot of European influence, but is on the Asian continent. It's certainly a much bigger city, but it's hard to argue that Athens isn't "worldly". Anyway, I can be swayed on this one for sure.


Istanbul is half in Europe and half in Asia. In fact, more people live in European Istanbul than in Asian Istanbul -- and each is more than the population of Athens.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby ender516 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:40 am

pamoa wrote:
sully800 wrote:Paris seems to be an impossibility based on it's proximity to it's neighbors. As you may know, I tried Paris when this map was first made, and it just doesn't fit between Madrid/London/Rome unfortunately. I know it's the biggest shame of the map at the moment.

then why not Brussels as Europe "capital" instead of Berlin

Conceptually, I like Brussels, but from a practical standpoint, it is much too close to London for this map.
pamoa wrote:for the Anchorage Edmonton Astana case I understand you needed some cities up there even if everybody knows it impossible to live there :lol:
maybe Calgary instead of Edmonton as it was an Winter Olympics spot

Calgary is larger and further south, while Edmonton is the capital of the province of Alberta. There is a long time rivalry between these two cities, so picking one over the other may stir up some fuss here, which is not necessarily bad. Another set of possibilities a bit further east would be Saskatoon, the largest city in Saskatchewan, or Regina, the capital. I suspect there may be a rivalry there, but they don't have all the sports teams that the Albertans have to keep the fires burning.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:42 am

Most certainly Istanbul has the population factor over Athens. Athens has a bit more historical importance in my opinion though I generally sided with population and current importance. To be consistent, I will switch back to Istanbul.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:45 am

sully800 wrote:Most certainly Istanbul has the population factor over Athens. Athens has a bit more historical importance in my opinion though I generally sided with population and current importance. To be consistent, I will switch back to Istanbul.


I'd argue Istanbul/Byzantium/Constantinople has probably just as much importance as Athens, both in terms of regional history, world history, culture, etc.


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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp

Postby ender516 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:55 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
sully800 wrote:Most certainly Istanbul has the population factor over Athens. Athens has a bit more historical importance in my opinion though I generally sided with population and current importance. To be consistent, I will switch back to Istanbul.


I'd argue Istanbul/Byzantium/Constantinople has probably just as much importance as Athens, both in terms of regional history, world history, culture, etc.


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