[Official] Classic Revamp [Quenched]

[stahrgazer]

That doesn't make sense. Graphics contain lines no matter what, lines connecting dots or lines enclosing regions.

If you can't see the difference between connectors and criss-crossers, I feel sorry for you

[sebaojeda]

In the new Classic Map, "Buenos Aires" is correctly written on the map, but appears as "Beunos Aires" in the log and in the list of regions when you attack or reinforce.
Really little. Not even a bug or problem. I leave in the city, that´s why I noticed.

Thanks.

[Esn]

I saw the message it was updated, had to go check it out.

I still think it's retarded in order to see all the maps you first click on "start a game" and then on "browse maps". There should be a link to "map gallery" right below "game finder" or something....but on to the map.

It looks okay, except for Novosibirsk. Those 3 lines, 1 running all the way down to manila, is very poorly done.

Looking back through the revisions, R6 looks to be where it went from "Awesome start" to "now we are going down hill".

I guess i'm the only one then....

I agree, V6 looks nicer than the current version. And those lines going down from Novosibirsk are a bit ugly and confusing.

Also... I'm sorry for not reading through the whole thread, but why was Port Moresby added, which was not in V6?

[sensfan]

Bug.
On the map, territory S4 (Buenos Aires) appears on the picklist as Beunos Aires! A minor spelling error, but it's still a error.

[jiminski]

Bug.
On the map, territory S4 (Buenos Aires) appears on the picklist as Beunos Aires! A minor spelling error, but it's still a error.

i reckon that has been dealt with mate, it's because the image is of the older version.

[ender516]

Bug.
On the map, territory S4 (Buenos Aires) appears on the picklist as Beunos Aires! A minor spelling error, but it's still a error.

i reckon that has been dealt with mate, it's because the image is of the older version.

Since the error shows in the picklist, that means the problem is in the XML, and a quick peek at http://www.conquerclub.com/maps/Classic.xml shows that to be the case. However, I think this was mentioned earlier by MrBenn so we are just waiting for another upload by lack.

[edwinissweet]

In the new Classic Map, "Buenos Aires" is correctly written on the map, but appears as "Beunos Aires" in the log and in the list of regions when you attack or reinforce.
Really little. Not even a bug or problem. I leave in the city, that´s why I noticed.

Thanks.

hmm, true

[samuelc812]

Merged with the Classic Map Thread

~Sam

[Lionz]

bedub1,

viewtopic.php?f=358&t=97975&start=570#p2373031

[saaimen]

sully800,

is there really no way to make the in-game image resemble what you produced here?
It's a disgrace...

[Time4Rugby]

This map is not "classic" A Classic map should have territories not cities for one thing, and second at least pick cities in the the territories. To get rid of Greenland, Madagascar, Mongolia and Irkutsk doesn't do justice to the game i love to play. Why did conquer club get rid of the territory style of the classic map.

[natty dread]

Why did conquer club get rid of the territory style of the classic map.

Because of copyright reasons.

[zeros]

What a gigantic improvement over "Classic Shapes" and "Classic Art" this is! (Both of which were very poor imitations of the world!).

Whilst not wishing to get into the politics of the difficulties Conquer Club had with the original manufacturers of 'Risk', CC seems the ONLY site that found using a map of the world a problem. As an aside, I cannot understand how anyone or any company can effectively own copyright of a Mercator projection of the planet we live upon. Furthermore, the argument that the original game's borders were contentious is a very hollow one; since any designer could choose to use different borders - straight lines for instance (or pretty well ANYTHING that was not a direct copy of said original).

It is almost a year since I played. I tolerated the irritation of not having a 'proper' world map... for a while. Then, with ever growing annoyance, I found another site that uses a proper world view and guess what? -Bye bye Conquer Club!

Tonight, for some inexplicable reason (perhaps simply a result of my inquisitive nature?), I thought I'd revisit my old friend: Conquer Club; before turning in for the night.

And this revelation of a proper map is the biggest single factor that I may now return. That said, I will be even more tempted if you put some borders in, instead of the rather crummy 'link-lines'. Just use straight lines for the borders of territories if you have to (even if no other site does).

However, I would like to express my thanks for those responsible for getting this very necessary 'act' together, to get a proper map: the most important, most obviously lacking aspect of Conquer Club.

[natty dread]

There is a reason CC is noticed by Hasbro while other sites are not: CC is by far the biggest online "world domination game" site. The business is good enough that it makes Hasbro see CC as competition.

Thus any attempts to avoid copyright infringements and possible legal action from Hasbro are only sensible. I'm not exactly sure if CC was actually contacted by Hasbro and if they asked the map to be taken down, or if it was merely a precaution, but either way it is an act of preservation.

Welcome back to CC though.

[zeros]

Thankyou for such a quick response Natty. -I am impressed. And I appreciate the concerns over copyright.

I also understand copyright laws reasonably well.

Obviously a map of the world is not a problem, so we can therefore remove that from any meaningful discussion. Furthermore, actual coastlines and real borders of real countries are also beyond the reach of copyright law, unless such mapping can be shown to be a direct copy (as in 'photograph', 'photocopy', 'digital rip off' etc.) and used without the owner's consent. Equally; established boundaries of real continents may be represented by anyone, so long as the source of original material is not replicated without permission.

To put it simply: Hasbro owns copyright of its own exact design and ONLY that! And taking successful legal action against another party for infringement of copyright would require them to demonstrate that THEIR specific design - and not that of my encyclopaedia (or any other source) - had been copied.

If I draw a map of the world, together with its continents and countries but not copied directly from someone else's work; I have every right to publish my work, (to which I own copyright) and may grant reproduction of it to whomever I choose. And I can use the names of real countries and real continents in geographically accurate regions to describe such regions if I so choose without asking anyone's permission. (Since none of these distinctions are 'owned' by anyone). And, for what it's worth; I can use my own paint and canvas to produce a painting similar to one of Leonardo's and call it "The Lona Misa", so long as I do not attempt to pass it off as the original it is based upon.

We are therefore left with the rules of game-play - and NOT ANY representation of the real world and its regions (save that of Hasbro's actual design) - as the only contentious possibility...

Hasbro may be able to defend the 'concept' of the battles being decided with attacking and defending dice in the manner commonly used (presumably already without specific permission), as their 'intellectual property'. They may also be able to defend the game-specific deployment of forces and their subsequent movement and redeployment. They may even be able to defend the 'idea' that the game is decided when the playing area is completely dominated by one player.

But I have my doubts on this too...

Virtually any variation on original rules, automatically steps out of the realm of copyright. And the idea of a winner being decided by domination of a playing area is common to the nature of humans and ants alike; common to the concept of real warfare and chess; and common to the notion of six being greater than one. (-Just who gave them permission to use dice anyway?!)

Conquer Club already stands safely outside the bounds of copyright, since it is essentially a conceptualization of collective gaming with significant variation and choices for its participants - albeit based on some distant, physical world ancestor.

By analogy, Sony's Playstation has a game called Gran Turismo. It attempts to represent real world motor racing with 'real' cars and in some cases, 'real' circuits. It is the attempt to replicate these real cars and real circuits which constitutes the only need for Sony to get permission for 'reproduction'. They do not need to ask anyone's permission to invent their own circuit or their own 'four-wheeled vehicle', in spite of the fact that long ago, someone was the first to invent a road which came back on itself and someone else came up with the idea of a vehicle with four wheels...

Furthermore, no aspect of Conquer Club is a board game. And it can NEVER BE a board game. - In a very literal sense!

To sum up: Hasbro's copyright is necessarily design specific, no matter how much they'd prefer others not to 'reinvent' their idea...