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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby sully800 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:35 am

Ah, this could all be so simple.

Yakutsk = Yakutsk. That's a city not a region, so it should be on this map. So if we add in Yakutsk and drop Chengdu do we get a good solution?

Then it would be Magadan and Anchorage that connect. Tokyo is where Japan would be. Hong Kong takes the current place of Chengdu. Hmmm, it might just work. :-k

Of course there are still 2 indias and 2 chinas (no mongolia and one less Russia) but I don't think all of those interior details matter as much as having specific cities in the countries they should be representing. I need to sleep, I'm not sure if this makes sense.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:41 am

Much better looking and works if you ask me. Fixed many of the issues with a few moves. :)
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:44 am

I know you may not want to change this but can we see a version that has straight lines? I think you may do away with many of the cluttered complaints.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby sully800 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:01 am

Here's an old version with straight lines. I think they make it look, well, horrible.

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Keep in mind the comments about clutter have still been a small minority. Most people have been supportive of the borders and globes (which are the main "clutter") so I think the map itself without them will be fine.

EDIT: I LOVE how this map has the exact connections that I am now proposing. Adding in Yakutsk and removing Chengu. Please note that I made that version over 4 months ago. :roll:
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby Robinette on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:19 am

oh wow... the straight lines are worse than i could have imagined...

the curved lines are quite nice,
and to me, they represent air routes...

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kinda like that... but with far fewer connections, lol
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby sully800 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:30 am

Indeed. In version 5 or 6 of World Cities there was a lot of discussion of air routes and how criteria for cities could be based upon whether they have a lot of air traffic. Of course I had just been traveling recently, so those maps where exactly what I had in mind.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby cairnswk on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:47 am

Sully...just my personal pref...i prefer the other curved connection lines...because you've got round aspects of the two mini-globes, the curved lines sit better with those globes rather than the straight lines i think... :)
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby Evil DIMwit on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:59 am

I'm sorry, but Magadan just has no business being in this map. Could Vladivostok take its place without being too crowded? That city has about six times the population and fifty times the historical significance. If northeastern Asia looks a bit too sparse after that then: (A) Good. That's reality. (B) Try shifting the title rightward.
Anchorage is a little awkward too, particularly because Tokyo has a special connection to such a globally insignificant city. You might try shifting Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Denver or Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Los Angeles -> Honolulu, or even Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Los Angeles -> Mexico City -> Managua/Panama City/San Salvador/Tegus
Otherwise I'm rather fond of the latest city arrangement and especially glad to see the awkward Astana-Chengdu-Novosibirsk V is gone.

Moreover I absolutely agree that the flags need to come back.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby saaimen on Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:25 am

I don't.
I think the new layout is a lot more pure and classy - exactly what our Classic map should be like.
It feels less pushy, easier on the eye and overall more esthetical.
Nice work.

Hope this doesn't turn into a "Do NOT / Do SO" discussion...
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby mpjh on Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:33 am

Much better. Although I would like to see Madagascar back in the loop rather than Johannesburg. I don't know how the French are going to take being left out -- I mean where would you rather take your girl, Berlin or Paris, now come on.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby sully800 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:02 am

Antananarivo is the 47th most populous city in Africa (keep in mind, that most cities in Africa are not overwhelming in population to begin with). It is not important politically, socially, or anything else. And I doubt any new player will have heard of Antananarivo and be able to find it on the map. So no, I'm not going to add that city just because it sits within an arbitrary land mass, especially when a large well known city is a perfectly viable option. Making switches to the unknown cities would make gameplay much more difficult, especially for new recruits and others who don't use clickable maps.

Evil DIMwit wrote:I'm sorry, but Magadan just has no business being in this map. Could Vladivostok take its place without being too crowded? That city has about six times the population and fifty times the historical significance. If northeastern Asia looks a bit too sparse after that then: (A) Good. That's reality. (B) Try shifting the title rightward.
Anchorage is a little awkward too, particularly because Tokyo has a special connection to such a globally insignificant city. You might try shifting Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Denver or Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Los Angeles -> Honolulu, or even Anchorage -> Vancouver -> Los Angeles -> Mexico City -> Managua/Panama City/San Salvador/Tegus
Otherwise I'm rather fond of the latest city arrangement and especially glad to see the awkward Astana-Chengdu-Novosibirsk V is gone.

Moreover I absolutely agree that the flags need to come back.


That awkward V was just a mistake with the previous connections. I had a mislabeled city on the paper copy I use to determine the layout.

As for Vladivostok, I don't think that's an option because of the proximity to Beijing and Tokyo. If I wanted to put a city there, I would prefer Seoul any day (yes Seoul is a tighter squeeze but a much more important city).

As for Anchorage, I know it is a small city but people are familiar with it (at least Americans, and yes that is the primary user base). I think it makes sense to match the cities to their respective locations on the original Classic when possible and when it doesn't detract from the gameplay.



Back to the Athens/Istanbul debate: For no better reason, I think I prefer Athens because it is 2 letters shorter. Istanbul is crowding the neighbors a bit, but if others aren't concerned about that then I don't care either.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby mibi on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:30 pm

You still need to change the title font to something more appropriate.

Like this,

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not this,

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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby MrBenn on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:06 pm

That title looks nice mibi... You could do this too:
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(I was trying to do something similar to the planes on the original classic, but rushed this to show what I was thinking of... You could put some ships in the water too... don't forget the random blob in Canada :lol:
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby RedBaron0 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:56 pm

Istanbul/Athens is representing Southern Europe from the original map, why no shift the circle over a smidgen, and get it close enough to the Italy to call it Rome. You'll probably have to push Berlin up a little, Stockholm too. You could then shift the circle for Dubai up and to the left enough to be Baghdad. (6.5 million vs. 2.25 million for Dubai) That might still be too close together to Tehran and Cairo.
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Re: [Official] Classic Revamp (V2, page 6, 10/8/09)

Postby sully800 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:39 pm

Nice titles mibi and Benn! Simple but definitely effective. Much cleaner than the stuff I've produced of course. I still like the idea of including the conquer club font, logo, colors in the title. I also share your concerns about the title fitting with the rest of the map. I'll play around with it to see if I can reach a compromise.

As for ships, planes, bullet holes etc. Wouldn't that just be adding clutter? And is copying the original classic in so many regards really a good idea? I think we are quickly devolving to a map that is not unique in any way and that scares me.

RedBaron0 wrote:Istanbul/Athens is representing Southern Europe from the original map, why no shift the circle over a smidgen, and get it close enough to the Italy to call it Rome. You'll probably have to push Berlin up a little, Stockholm too. You could then shift the circle for Dubai up and to the left enough to be Baghdad. (6.5 million vs. 2.25 million for Dubai) That might still be too close together to Tehran and Cairo.


Rome is all the way over on the West side of the boot, which makes it way too close to Madrid and Berlin. I tried different combinations in the early drafts to include Rome and Paris, but that region is far too cramped to get all the world players.
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