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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:04 pm

Hi Rask ! :)

Well..... I understand your concerns in a conceptual way. But truth is that we need to make it work as a playable map - and game-play here is of the essence.

though I'm not entirely worried about the UK, the Kingdom of Naples does worry me. As it is now is too well protected by neutral troops. What if we link it to Illyria instead of Bosnia?
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Raskholnikov on Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:23 pm

Yes, much better. I can live with Naples being linked with Illyria. You may wonder why I'm making a fuss about one province, but it does make a difference, both historically and game-play-wise. So go ahead with the Naples - Illyria link and all the others you proposed, except the UK which should remain as is, at +3. Many thanks!
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby ender516 on Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:58 pm

I can fix the XML again once you post a new image.

I did wonder about reducing the UK. It has no battle sites to boost its total bonus value.

In the interests of full disclosure, I am holding the UK in a game right now, so it might be said I have a vested interest in maintaining its value.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby The Bison King on Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:03 am

did wonder about reducing the UK. It has no battle sites to boost its total bonus value.


I wonder about that too
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby brucemoose on Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:55 pm

i played this map going by what it said: own 5 capitals wins the game. I took 5 capitals and nothing happened....i didn't win the game. Need to clarify how long you must hold the 5 capitals. I took it at word value and it probably has cost me the game.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:58 pm

For all "hold and win" maps, you have to hold the winning conditions for at least one turn.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby ender516 on Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:03 pm

Luckily, to go along with the new losing conditions/requirements XML feature (where you can be immediately eliminated if you fail to hold a particular territory or set thereof), there is a movement to update the Instructions to make this sort of thing clearer. I hope an improved map browser will also flag features like this, so no one will be surprised by the features of a map.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Arama86n on Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:20 am

I see it's been noted before but to clarify;

On large map (too?) (before it was mentioned small map) in drop down list it says
Sw: Switzerland...
Sw: Saxony... <-- :)
On actuall map Saxony is correctly abbreviated Sx.

I suppose this is a two click fix next time XML is updated, no biggy =)

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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby ender516 on Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:16 pm

Arama86n wrote:I see it's been noted before but to clarify;

On large map (too?) (before it was mentioned small map) in drop down list it says
Sw: Switzerland...
Sw: Saxony... <-- :)
On actuall map Saxony is correctly abbreviated Sx.

I suppose this is a two click fix next time XML is updated, no biggy =)

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P.S. Loving the map! :D

I have fixed this in version 1.12 of the XML, which I posted on Sep. 29. However, after that, there was some discussion about keeping the UK bonus at +3, and connecting Naples to Illyria instead of Bosnia. Once I see new images which show that, I can post another version of the XML, and we can get the new versions uploaded for more beta testing.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Patriot1985 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:28 pm

My friends and I agree this is the best map. We noticed lately that the +1 bonus for Warsaw w/ Prussia is disabled.

Also, I would disagree with connecting Naples with Illyria. While Naples does seem well defended, it is not a particularly wealthy region either and connecting it to another province may reduce further the incentive to center an empire in that region.

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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby ender516 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:56 pm

Patriot1985 wrote:My friends and I agree this is the best map. We noticed lately that the +1 bonus for Warsaw w/ Prussia is disabled.

Also, I would disagree with connecting Naples with Illyria. While Naples does seem well defended, it is not a particularly wealthy region either and connecting it to another province may reduce further the incentive to center an empire in that region.

My humble opinions.

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The bonus for Poland (Warsaw and Krakow) overrides both the Warsaw w/ Prussia and the Krakow w/ Austrian Empire bonuses.
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:34 pm

Guys, I've been abroad in the last few days and I'm also in the process of changing from my old apartment where I've been living for the last 10 years to a new one. So my updates will be slower. Sorry....

I'll post the new version in the next couple of days :)
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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Robis on Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:51 am

Hi. I'm not a forum addict, but i must post here to give my congratulations to the developers of this map. This is probably the best one i've ever played, although i'm a realtively new user. Best graphic, best gameplay and actually a very good division of bonuses. About the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, it's well defended but maybe it's overestimated, because there is a nice sea way to threat it from south (Malta).

EDIT: I noticed the sicilies bonus reduction, but i have to note how the kingdom is threated by 3 sides (sardinia, north italy and malta), that is a very hard requirement for just a single army bonus)

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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:45 pm

Thanks a lot Robis for your support :)

Here they are the latest changes

-Kingdoms of Sweden, Denmark and Naples will maintain there +1 status
-UK will maintain the +3
-and no connection from Naples too Illyria (or Bosnia)

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Re: Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 39/43 [Gp,Gr,XML,BETA]

Postby Arama86n on Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:55 pm

I agree 100% Kabanellas. dropping the Scandinavian countries [from +2 to +1] was the right choice, dropping UK would have been far more questionable. I also fully support abandoning the idea of the sea route. I do not find "italy" to be an attractive continent to hold, so to speak, and the suggested sea route would only weaken it's viabillity as an attractive home base in NS & FR games for example.
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