Inability to Join Foe Games Only If Foe Created the Game

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Implement Change in Foe Mechanics as Suggested in First Post

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Re: Foe List only counts for creator of game.

Postby Artimis on Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:29 am

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=73219

This post is on the same subject, it also has my support, maybe the mods might consider merging these posts?
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Inability to Join Foe Games Only If Foe Created the Game

Postby ziggyy77 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:54 pm

Concise description:
Change the effect of the foe list.

Specifics/Details:
I am, as far as I know, only on 1 person's foe list because that player was very irrational (called me a suicider when I attacked him 15v7 when if I won, I would get a bonus) and so because of a player that was completely clueless foe'd me, I can no longer join games that this player is in. Unfortunately, he seems to be in a number of games I would like to join.

This really bothers me in the sense that I have seemingly been banished from a number of games I enjoy playing because of this one players irrational thinking. Even if this player did not create the game, I can not join.

My suggestion is change the effect of the for list in this such manner. (Player A is on player B's foe list).

- Player A wishes to join an 8 player game. Unfortunately, because player B is say, the 5 player to join the game, player A is not allowed to join the game. This situation is unfair to player A in such manner that player B did not start the game, it is not player B's settings, but player B is just a random opponent in the game but still prevents player A from joining.
- My suggestion is that player A should not be banned from all games that include player B. Player A should be banned from any game player B creates, but if player B joins a random game, than player A should be allowed as well.

I know the point of a foe list is to prevent a player one feels plays the game poorly from playing each other again. However, people have abused this system and in cases such as mine, prevent the abused player from joining a lot of games again. I feel I was wrongly foe'd but a clueless player but because of this, I can not join a lot of games I once played and played very fairly with no complants before. 15v7 is not suicide in my book but because some player did not like losing, I am not prevented from many games.


How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
- This will benefit the site because it will allow a lot of players to join many more games. If the person who foe'd player A see's this person in the game again, maybe they will see player A had a bad game or that there is nothing wrong with that player. But if player A is truly that bad, than others can foe him as well.
- Will not allow for players to abuse the foe list and basically give players control of what games some players can play. If someone on is on a foe list, they should only be prevented from playing in games created by the player who foe'd them.

[MOD EDIT: Some useful posts in this thread:

"Workarounds"/reasons it hasn't been done
A well-written, but identical suggestion

--agentcom]
Last edited by agentcom on Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby phantomzero on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:04 pm

or you could just ask him nicely to remove you from his foe list?
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ziggyy77 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:12 pm

The player thought i was suicidal when i had more than double his army and as much as i tried to explain it to him in game, he just went off on me and kept talking about how i am on his foe list.... Unfortunately, i doubt he will take me off his list because i ask nicely.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ask me2 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:20 pm

So what? Make your own game with those settings.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ziggyy77 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:22 pm

What if there is an 8 player game with 7 people already in... i should just create my own game and wait for who know's how long until people join my game? I should be able to join that alomst filled 8 player game even if i am on 1 person's foe list who might have been the 7th person to join.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby Evolution299 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:41 pm

I agree with Ziggyy here. Im on Great Ollies foe list, cause I attacked him in a 3 player Lux. map game, where if my dice would have even been average I would have eliminated him and won the game. Because I auto'd and my dice were horrible, I never got to eliminate him, just cripple him.
Ive asked to him to remove the foe ,but he doesnt respond. This eliminates me from alot of 8 player Doodle games that enjoy playing.
I think there has to be a better system to the foed list.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby drunkmonkey on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:24 pm

ziggyy77 wrote:What if there is an 8 player game with 7 people already in... i should just create my own game and wait for who know's how long until people join my game?


Yes. Sorry, but the purpose of a foe list is to avoid playing with a certain player (or have to read their posts, but that's another story). He should be free to join games without worrying about one of his foes taking the 8th spot.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ziggyy77 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:29 pm

@drunkmonkey ... But that should be the risk of joining a game you don't start... a person should not have the power to prevent other players from joining big games like that, its unfair to someone like me or evolution... because 1 certain person disagreed with a single move in a game, we are prevented from joining other games that person joins? It should be regulated to the games that person starts not games created by other people
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby drunkmonkey on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:21 pm

ziggyy77 wrote:@drunkmonkey ... But that should be the risk of joining a game you don't start... a person should not have the power to prevent other players from joining big games like that, its unfair to someone like me or evolution... because 1 certain person disagreed with a single move in a game, we are prevented from joining other games that person joins? It should be regulated to the games that person starts not games created by other people


You act as if you only have 2 or 3 games to choose from. Make your own. Find opponents in the Callouts forum. Join tournaments. Join games early, before your foe gets there.

By choosing to only join games with 1 or 2 spots open, you're only limiting yourself. Sorry, but I can't find anything unfair here.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby chapcrap on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:51 pm

The Foe list setup should not be changed. Unless someone is getting foed by many, many people, it is still very easy to find games. And if if they are getting foed by that many people, then they probably deserve it.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ziggyy77 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:01 am

but if you like to play a certain game, as evolution stated above such as an 8 player assassin game on doodle, that same player joins all those games and therefore you can not join. I don't get why this site gives that type of power to someone. I have made a few suggestions on here and a few have been turned down because I was told people would abuse the option.

Yes, it is one player but why should i have to go from joining all the games i usually joined to having to pick and choose and hope i join a game before that one player? He didn't start the game, he didn't make the settings, he didn't do anything besides join a game he did not start and have a wrong opinion about me or any other player and therefore prevents any player he foe's for good reason or not, from joining a game he did not start.

That is way to much power to one player. It should be the complete opposite. If he wants to foe me fine, that should prevent me from joining games HE creates, not games anyone else creates. That is completely unfair to plenty of players on this site.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby Geger on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:18 am

I know how do you feel, ziggy77. But please try to understand other situations. There are really bad players here, who you don't want to play with (eq: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=162507 - before he is banned). Just imagine, you joined a game, and this guy join after you.
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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby drunkmonkey on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:29 am

ziggyy77 wrote:but if you like to play a certain game, as evolution stated above such as an 8 player assassin game on doodle,


Start your own.

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Re: FOE LIST CHANGE

Postby ziggyy77 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:16 pm

Like i mentioned before, some games take a very long time to get going and for people to join. If there are two games, one with some people in it and a new one, started by me, people are more likely to join the game with people in it already. I would want to join that game as well and not wait a day, 2 days, or a week for a game to start because i wasn't able to join another game because of one player.

You are giving power to people to keep certain players from games they do not start, but simply join. Would I like it if a player I did not like joined a game i was playing? Absolutely not, but I took the risk in joining someone else's game. And if the player were truly that bad, everyone else would see it and foe them. But since it is just one player with a poor opinion, he shouldn't have the power to prevent any player he wants from any game he is in. It should be just the one's he starts and if he chooses to join a game he did not start, than he takes the risk of his foe joining. That way, he can see that the player he foe'd isn't what he thought in the first place or other players can see how bad that player is and foe him as well and than it would make sense for that player not to be able to join games.

People who pay to use this site want to use it without restrictions. And if there are to be people who prevent other players from playing any game, it should be a MOD and not a random player with poor judgements.
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