Hyperbolic Escalating Spoils

[Dukasaur]

In Escalating Spoils games, once the cash reaches 50 it increases by 10% of the previous cash, instead of a steady progression by 5s.

This will be genuinely Escalating spoils: after 50 there will be a hyperbolic instead of the current arithmetic (straight line) progression.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
There is a generally-accepted belief that escalating games don't stalemate. Unfortunately, more and more often we are seeing escalating games that do stalemate, or at least take a very long time to play. The old progression was designed when most of the maps were wide-open maps like Classic or Hong Kong. Maps have gotten bigger and more complex. They have many dead ends for players to hide in, and numerous bonuses that make the spoils less important. Larger armies are needed to break open the defensive lines that are causing stalemated games on maps like the Hive, Supermax, Conquer Rome, Das Schloss, and even World 2.1.

[KoolBak]

I like the idea.....especially cause "Hyperbolic" is such an awesome word

[chapcrap]

I like the idea because I was just thinking about it yesterday!

I don't know about your setup, but cashes should get increasingly larger as they go. It will definitely stop a stalemate.

[natty dread]

If the higher increases start after 100 then it'd be fine, but even regular escalating games (ie. not stalemated ones) often get cashes over 50 so changing those wouldn't be such a good idea.

[chapcrap]

natty's right. Needs to start after 100 or 150.

I also would suggest this as a change to the current escalating system.

[maxfaraday]

I don't like this idea.
There's already a way to end a stalemate: diplomacy.

"Risk all your troops on a daring land grab. Use diplomacy to coordinate a group assault on the game leader. Feel the thrill of victory as you crush your last opponent."

[agentcom]

I don't like this idea.
There's already a way to end a stalemate: diplomacy.

"Risk all your troops on a daring land grab. Use diplomacy to coordinate a group assault on the game leader. Feel the thrill of victory as you crush your last opponent."

Unlike max, I support this idea.

I do agree that one way to end these games is diplomacy, but of a different format. The other day I was in a speed game that reached stalemate despite escalating spoils. We started another game and the winner got to win the other game, too.

As to the OP are you suggesting changing all escalating games or creating a new spoils type: "hyperbolic." I support either idea, but would prefer a new game type with "hyperbolic" spoils starting from the very beginning. Would make for some pretty interesting early developments as people may decide to forego cards that would force them to turn in. Idk. Whole idea sounds interesting.

[nebsmith]

I like it as a separate game option to kick in when the sets reach 100.

[everywhere116]

This is technically an exponential system, not a hyperbolic one, but it is still a good idea.

[Criticalwinner]

I think we should implement this starting at 75 armies. If we started at 150, that would be an extra 15 armies; where at 75 it would only be an extra 7 (or 8 if we rounded up). I guess having an option to start at 75/100/150/200 would be great too. This would give enough time for diplomacy, while still making an impact.

[DoomYoshi]

This is technically an exponential system, not a hyperbolic one, but it is still a good idea.

+1

[AndyDufresne]

This is interesting, but it doesn't seem like it would make it as a stand-alone spoil setting I think.


--Andy

[deantursx]

I agree that this needs to be done. City Mogul 4 player escalating for example...that almost always deadlocks because the spoils don't compare to the autodeploys, but with more rapidly increasing spoils those games would be more likely to finish.

[Criticalwinner]

I agree that this needs to be done. City Mogul 4 player escalating for example...that almost always deadlocks because the spoils don't compare to the autodeploys, but with more rapidly increasing spoils those games would be more likely to finish.

That's a map flaw, and up to the user to play that one..... It's a well-known fact that City Mogul just transcends all boundaries.

[deantursx]

I agree that this needs to be done. City Mogul 4 player escalating for example...that almost always deadlocks because the spoils don't compare to the autodeploys, but with more rapidly increasing spoils those games would be more likely to finish.

That's a map flaw, and up to the user to play that one..... It's a well-known fact that City Mogul just transcends all boundaries.

Okay what about Hive, World 2.1, and First Nations Americas? They all have a huge chance of deadlocking...Also, 3-player on any map has a good chance of it