Cheaters should be stripped of their medals Updated

[Symmetry]

I did Pat, and I read his explanation, which seems fair, and up to him. The suggestions forum is kind of for suggestions on how to make the site better. Feel free to PM Woody if you want to bicker with him personally, or post something in the Off Topics if you want an audience, is all I'm saying.

Feel free to PM me if you want to bicker, the conversation between woody and I was done but now you seem to want to bicker with me.

I do not, I'd like your input, and you're welcome to PM me or post on my wall.

[patrickaa317]

This is my thought:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170171&start=60#p3785163

[Symmetry]

This is my thought:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170171&start=60#p3785163

Ok, I think we've dealt with that one then.

[patrickaa317]

This is my thought:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170171&start=60#p3785163

Ok, I think we've dealt with that one then.

Woody gave input, noone else

[Symmetry]

This is my thought:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170171&start=60#p3785163

Ok, I think we've dealt with that one then.

Woody gave input, noone else

Then likely nobody else thought it a good idea. I'm sorry if there was no chorus of people objecting to your suggestion within a suggestion, but there are other avenues open to you if you want to push for an asterisk, or argue with Woody, or myself.

Would it be fair to ask you to bring this back on topic, and ask that you use one of the many offers for reasonable discussion that have been suggested to you?

[patrickaa317]

This is my thought:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170171&start=60#p3785163

Ok, I think we've dealt with that one then.

Woody gave input, noone else

Then likely nobody else thought it a good idea. I'm sorry if there was no chorus of people objecting to your suggestion within a suggestion, but there are other avenues open to you if you want to push for an asterisk, or argue with Woody, or myself.

Would it be fair to ask you to bring this back on topic, and ask that you use one of the many offers for reasonable discussion that have been suggested to you?

Yeah, I was done with the topic until you started hounding me to provide some input which I already have. And just so you know, if you quote me again asking me to keep it on topic, I'm going to reply again telling you what is already been said or pointed out.

[Symmetry]

Fair enough, so back on topic (in general)...

[jefjef]

From the OPs posted suggestion:

there's a fair amount of consensus that the punishments are kind of light for premium players who cheat.

So was this sugg created out of disdain for premium players? Huh.

[SirSebstar]

I didn't know getting stripped of your premium is considered light... or getting website bans.

Peruse the C&A forums, you'll see the argument made.

Anyway, medal stripping seems like a good secondary punishment.

We could also tell their mom, or boss...
I fail to see how removing medals unrelated to the cheating action can be construed as anything but spite?!

IF someone would cheat to gain a particular medal, having obtained said medal, and then buying back after being found a multi, yes THEN I can see a direct lick and it could be worth it.
However is someone is simply, (for one reason or another) a cheating idiot, then i fail to see its relevance.

also, although I am opposed, can you elaborate....?! Do you want player to loose all posibilities of them having/gaining medals, or do you want to remove the count of the medals. or... well your goal/ means is unclear to me.

[Symmetry]

From the OPs posted suggestion:

there's a fair amount of consensus that the punishments are kind of light for premium players who cheat.

So was this sugg created out of disdain for premium players? Huh.

That's a fair criticism, and I hope that my position has been clearly altered from the OP that asked for discussion of the topic. I do think the punishments tend to be light for premium players, but then they've paid for a lighter punishment. This suggestion seems more like an equal punishment, if that makes sense.

Medals earned unfairly, regardless of premium or freemium, would be stripped equally from cheaters.

[Symmetry]

I didn't know getting stripped of your premium is considered light... or getting website bans.

Peruse the C&A forums, you'll see the argument made.

Anyway, medal stripping seems like a good secondary punishment.

We could also tell their mom, or boss...
I fail to see how removing medals unrelated to the cheating action can be construed as anything but spite?!

IF someone would cheat to gain a particular medal, having obtained said medal, and then buying back after being found a multi, yes THEN I can see a direct lick and it could be worth it.
However is someone is simply, (for one reason or another) a cheating idiot, then i fail to see its relevance.

also, although I am opposed, can you elaborate....?! Do you want player to loose all posibilities of them having/gaining medals, or do you want to remove the count of the medals. or... well your goal/ means is unclear to me.

Medals are rewards for achievement, if someone cheated in their process of gaining those rewards they should be stripped of their rewards. An Olympic drug cheat would be stripped of their medals if caught. Court-marshalled soldiers are often stripped of their medals.

I hope that you don't see either of those actions as spiteful or irrelevant.

[jefjef]

From the OPs posted suggestion:

there's a fair amount of consensus that the punishments are kind of light for premium players who cheat.

So was this sugg created out of disdain for premium players? Huh.

That's a fair criticism, and I hope that my position has been clearly altered from the OP that asked for discussion of the topic. I do think the punishments tend to be light for premium players, but then they've paid for a lighter punishment. This suggestion seems more like an equal punishment, if that makes sense.

Medals earned unfairly, regardless of premium or freemium, would be stripped equally from cheaters.

I don't recall anyone avoiding punishment due to being premium and even if their being premium was taken into consideration what would be wrong with that? A business should and needs to consider those who provide them profit.

As for this sugg it's obvious from your response that you are specifically targeting premium players. You could edit the qualifying "premium" out of your sugg...

[Symmetry]

From the OPs posted suggestion:

there's a fair amount of consensus that the punishments are kind of light for premium players who cheat.

So was this sugg created out of disdain for premium players? Huh.

That's a fair criticism, and I hope that my position has been clearly altered from the OP that asked for discussion of the topic. I do think the punishments tend to be light for premium players, but then they've paid for a lighter punishment. This suggestion seems more like an equal punishment, if that makes sense.

Medals earned unfairly, regardless of premium or freemium, would be stripped equally from cheaters.

I don't recall anyone avoiding punishment due to being premium and even if their being premium was taken into consideration what would be wrong with that? A business should and needs to consider those who provide them profit.

As for this sugg it's obvious from your response that you are specifically targeting premium players. You could edit the qualifying "premium" out of your sugg...

Not really my policy- I consider the OP as the original post, asking for discussion and input. If I just wanted yes or no answers, I wouldn't have submitted it as a suggestion.

I kind of like that people can take the original suggestion, modify it, interpret it, change it, criticise it...

I won't edit my OP, as there's plenty of give and take based on it by other posters. Some stuff I've accepted, some rejected, some others have taken on board, or rejected in their own ways.

The discussion is as it stands, and I won't modify its history.

[Woodruff]

I didn't know getting stripped of your premium is considered light... or getting website bans.

Peruse the C&A forums, you'll see the argument made.

Anyway, medal stripping seems like a good secondary punishment.

We could also tell their mom, or boss...
I fail to see how removing medals unrelated to the cheating action can be construed as anything but spite?!

IF someone would cheat to gain a particular medal, having obtained said medal, and then buying back after being found a multi, yes THEN I can see a direct lick and it could be worth it.
However is someone is simply, (for one reason or another) a cheating idiot, then i fail to see its relevance.

also, although I am opposed, can you elaborate....?! Do you want player to loose all posibilities of them having/gaining medals, or do you want to remove the count of the medals. or... well your goal/ means is unclear to me.

Good point, Sebster. I would agree with you that only medals that were gained/pertain to the particular cheating action would make the most sense...but is that something that the C&A mods would be able to/have time to determine? Would it be worth that effort?

[Woodruff]

From the OPs posted suggestion:

there's a fair amount of consensus that the punishments are kind of light for premium players who cheat.

So was this sugg created out of disdain for premium players? Huh.

That's a fair criticism, and I hope that my position has been clearly altered from the OP that asked for discussion of the topic. I do think the punishments tend to be light for premium players, but then they've paid for a lighter punishment. This suggestion seems more like an equal punishment, if that makes sense.

Medals earned unfairly, regardless of premium or freemium, would be stripped equally from cheaters.

I don't recall anyone avoiding punishment due to being premium and even if their being premium was taken into consideration what would be wrong with that? A business should and needs to consider those who provide them profit.

As for this sugg it's obvious from your response that you are specifically targeting premium players. You could edit the qualifying "premium" out of your sugg...

I am of the opinion that this suggestion actually targets freemiums more than premiums. Currently, freemiums aren't going to "lose their premium" if caught cheating, whereas premiums are. So this would actually find a punishment that also affects freemiums.