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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby greenoaks on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:04 am

koontz1973 wrote:All good votes to add this in so far. No dissenters. Can anyone find a fault with this?

no, i tried

so let's implement this.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:11 am

For technical reasons, maybe it would be easier to buy someone conquer credits? That would be a more general solution to this problem.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:46 am

Metsfanmax wrote:For technical reasons, maybe it would be easier to buy someone conquer credits? That would be a more general solution to this problem.

But if you buy someone CC, that is the same as premium. So why not just buy premium for a person. If the site wanted to give premium for shorter periods (suggested before and rejected many many times) then it would of done so before now.

This is a cheap option to give players a thing to say thanks, award a prize or even a Christmas/birthday present. To give CC to a player, who is to say that they would use them for a Conquer cup. So you reduce the other benefits to conquer cups like a faster fill up time. And you need 5 gifts to get premium.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:42 am

koontz1973 wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:For technical reasons, maybe it would be easier to buy someone conquer credits? That would be a more general solution to this problem.

But if you buy someone CC, that is the same as premium. So why not just buy premium for a person. If the site wanted to give premium for shorter periods (suggested before and rejected many many times) then it would of done so before now.


It doesn't have to be the same as premium. A premium subscription costs 2500 conquer credits; no way around that. If you can buy someone 500 conquer credits, they can't sign up for a partial premium with that; they could either use it for the conquer cup, or they could get 2000 more conquer credits and sign up for premium.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:15 am

But if you just buy someone credits, you do not have the knock on effect of cups filling faster or having more varied players playing them. Also, buying someone credits seems to have less of an impact as it is all digital. With the cup entries, you know that the player will get to play at least two games for your money. This has a feeling of actually giving something to a player.

If this turned into a way for me to just give you 500 credits, I probably would not use it. As the giver I want to see you smile when you open the present I left under the tree (its Xmas time so forgive the analogy), or in this case see you play a game that I payed for. That would just give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

Giving of credits just does not have the same feel to it and would probably be forgotten soon after implementation. Cup entries won't. Everyone likes games. Going back to giving of credits, this again seems to say, lets give premium in smaller increments. I know someone would still need to win tournaments (if given as prizes) or have 5 people say thank you to them, but it does say, here is next years premium for you.

A third option though, after thinking about your suggestion would be to just have a check box to say 500 credits or conquer cup entry. that I could live with quite happily. But this may bugger the original proposal up for the reasons stated.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:48 pm

Ok, it's up to you I guess. If it were me, I'd be just as happy either giving them enough credits to join the Conquer Cup if they wanted to, or contributing 20% to their effort to become premium and have a whole year of playing as many games as they want.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:11 pm

I've been saying this since the very first Conquer Cup. Andy kept promising it was coming. I guess now I gotta start bugging rds.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:37 pm

Majority of people are in favour, only metsfanmax seems to want to alter it so will keep it as is until others chime in.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby agentcom on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:18 am

koontz1973 wrote:Majority of people are in favour, only metsfanmax seems to want to alter it so will keep it as is until others chime in.


I totally understand the idea of wanting to give something more tangible, like a Cup entry, rather than intangible, like the points.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:15 am

agentcom wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:Majority of people are in favour, only metsfanmax seems to want to alter it so will keep it as is until others chime in.


I totally understand the idea of wanting to give something more tangible, like a Cup entry, rather than intangible, like the points.

My brain must of been on lock down. You said in one word what took me half a page to write.

Tangible. :oops:
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Gillipig on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:05 am

macbone wrote:I like it, man!

He didn't say he'd buy you in though macbone ;)

koontz1973 wrote:
agentcom wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:Majority of people are in favour, only metsfanmax seems to want to alter it so will keep it as is until others chime in.


I totally understand the idea of wanting to give something more tangible, like a Cup entry, rather than intangible, like the points.

My brain must of been on lock down. You said in one word what took me half a page to write.

Tangible. :oops:


Tangible means something like "real" or "useful". I haven't checked with a dictionary because I think that would be cheating :geek:.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby chapcrap on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:53 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Ok, it's up to you I guess. If it were me, I'd be just as happy either giving them enough credits to join the Conquer Cup if they wanted to, or contributing 20% to their effort to become premium and have a whole year of playing as many games as they want.

Mets is probably right about how we need to do it.

Here's why it is a bad idea to gift entry into the cup, what if someone doesn't want to play in it? I mean, we could start gifting it to people who we know hate the game type or people who are inactive. That needs to be circumvented ahead of time. Gifting credits is a much better idea.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:58 am

Gillipig wrote:Tangible means something like "real" or "useful". I haven't checked with a dictionary because I think that would be cheating :geek:.

So you do not think it would be useful for someone to give you a couple of free games in the hope that you might win something? Also, the game may be played in cyberspace but that does not mean it is real. So tangible is the right word.
chapcrap wrote:Here's why it is a bad idea to gift entry into the cup, what if someone doesn't want to play in it? I mean, we could start gifting it to people who we know hate the game type or people who are inactive. That needs to be circumvented ahead of time. Gifting credits is a much better idea.

Gifting credits may be OK in the end, but who in their right mind would spend even $5 to do that. So what if you hate the type of game, it is a free game that you did not have to pay for, and with the inactive users, why. Would you gift someone 500 credits or cup entry if they are inactive. :-s

But have updated the first post to show that both should be made possible.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:29 pm

The only distinction between gifting credits and gifting a cup entry is that the player might choose not to use those credits for entering the Conquer Cup. If they did want to play in the Conquer Cup, then they will use those credits to sign up and you'll see the tangible result.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:45 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:The only distinction between gifting credits and gifting a cup entry is that the player might choose not to use those credits for entering the Conquer Cup. If they did want to play in the Conquer Cup, then they will use those credits to sign up and you'll see the tangible result.

Yep, I sort of came round to the idea. It seems logical to be able to have both as both cost the same, and it would only allow a minimum amount of extra work to do both over the one.

Can I ask one of the mods to check my first post to make sure all is in order. Is it OK like it is or do I need to add more info to it. If so, what?
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:03 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:The only distinction between gifting credits and gifting a cup entry is that the player might choose not to use those credits for entering the Conquer Cup. If they did want to play in the Conquer Cup, then they will use those credits to sign up and you'll see the tangible result.

Yep, I sort of came round to the idea. It seems logical to be able to have both as both cost the same, and it would only allow a minimum amount of extra work to do both over the one.

Can I ask one of the mods to check my first post to make sure all is in order. Is it OK like it is or do I need to add more info to it. If so, what?


Yes, it's fine. Concise and simple is just fine with us :)
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby greenoaks on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:26 pm

if i put up a 12 month prize for one of my tournaments it would be nice to use the matching that CC does to give 5 Conquer Cup entries as additional prizes.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby agentcom on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:44 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Ok, it's up to you I guess. If it were me, I'd be just as happy either giving them enough credits to join the Conquer Cup if they wanted to, or contributing 20% to their effort to become premium and have a whole year of playing as many games as they want.

Mets is probably right about how we need to do it.

Here's why it is a bad idea to gift entry into the cup, what if someone doesn't want to play in it? I mean, we could start gifting it to people who we know hate the game type or people who are inactive. That needs to be circumvented ahead of time. Gifting credits is a much better idea.


They still have to join the games. They could choose not to play and then you would be wasting the $5 that you're spending on annoying them.

Metsfanmax wrote:The only distinction between gifting credits and gifting a cup entry is that the player might choose not to use those credits for entering the Conquer Cup. If they did want to play in the Conquer Cup, then they will use those credits to sign up and you'll see the tangible result.


I studied economics in undergrad and one of the common topics was when economics seems to be broken. Gift giving is one example. An economist would tell you that the best gift is cash or a prepaid credit card because then the person can spend that money on whatever has the highest value to them. But we all know that this is not how people operate (and it ignores the utility to the gift giver). Like I said, I understand koontz wanting to give an entry rather than the credits. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way to do it, and it looks like koontz has come around to the credit idea, so I guess this whole point is moot :)

I will point out that the entries option had the added benefit of making the Cup fill faster, which I know has been a recurring issue.

greenoaks wrote:if i put up a 12 month prize for one of my tournaments it would be nice to use the matching that CC does to give 5 Conquer Cup entries as additional prizes.


Good point, but I'm not sure CC wants to give away too many entries for free because they have to cover the cost of their prizes.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby Gillipig on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:52 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Tangible means something like "real" or "useful". I haven't checked with a dictionary because I think that would be cheating :geek:.

So you do not think it would be useful for someone to give you a couple of free games in the hope that you might win something? Also, the game may be played in cyberspace but that does not mean it is real. So tangible is the right word.


I wasn't the one who said the idea was intangible! I just commented on what the word "tangible" means.
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Postby chapcrap on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:02 pm

greenoaks wrote:if i put up a 12 month prize for one of my tournaments it would be nice to use the matching that CC does to give 5 Conquer Cup entries as additional prizes.

If someone is signing up for it, then that would be great to give it to them, because they know it's coming.

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chapcrap wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Ok, it's up to you I guess. If it were me, I'd be just as happy either giving them enough credits to join the Conquer Cup if they wanted to, or contributing 20% to their effort to become premium and have a whole year of playing as many games as they want.

Mets is probably right about how we need to do it.

Here's why it is a bad idea to gift entry into the cup, what if someone doesn't want to play in it? I mean, we could start gifting it to people who we know hate the game type or people who are inactive. That needs to be circumvented ahead of time. Gifting credits is a much better idea.


They still have to join the games. They could choose not to play and then you would be wasting the $5 that you're spending on annoying them.

I guess you haven't played in the Conquer Cup and don't know how it works...

You don't join the games. You are automatically put into them when the tournament fills. The game starts without you even realizing. There is no way to drop the game.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby agentcom on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:16 pm

chapcrap wrote:[
I guess you haven't played in the Conquer Cup and don't know how it works...

You don't join the games. You are automatically put into them when the tournament fills. The game starts without you even realizing. There is no way to drop the game.


Duh. I did play once and now that you mention it .... :oops:
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:42 am

greenoaks wrote:if i put up a 12 month prize for one of my tournaments it would be nice to use the matching that CC does to give 5 Conquer Cup entries as additional prizes.

I think this is taking the idea a step to far and in the wrong direction. The prizes for tournies should stay the same or separate from this for now.

chapcraps comment of the entry for conquer cup being automatic is valid. I very much doubt that anyone would buy a person in for no reason apart from being spiteful, but does this problem occur now with the conquer cup? Do players become inactive after joining the cups and not play them? If that was a problem or such a big problem, after 3 finished, 1 ongoing and 1 filling up now, it would of been dealt with.

A simple PM to a player saying you have been entered into the CC/given 500credits will solve all problems.

Does a PM go out if you buy someone premium now?
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby trinicardinal on Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:35 am

koontz1973 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:if i put up a 12 month prize for one of my tournaments it would be nice to use the matching that CC does to give 5 Conquer Cup entries as additional prizes.

I think this is taking the idea a step to far and in the wrong direction. The prizes for tournies should stay the same or separate from this for now.

chapcraps comment of the entry for conquer cup being automatic is valid. I very much doubt that anyone would buy a person in for no reason apart from being spiteful, but does this problem occur now with the conquer cup? Do players become inactive after joining the cups and not play them? If that was a problem or such a big problem, after 3 finished, 1 ongoing and 1 filling up now, it would of been dealt with.

A simple PM to a player saying you have been entered into the CC/given 500credits will solve all problems.

Does a PM go out if you buy someone premium now?


I believe that the giftee gets a message if someone buys them premium

Added: I like the idea of being able to purchase Credits for someone though. Then that person can decide to use it for the Cup or towards premium
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:57 am

Added credits to the first post. Tad quiet in here like the foundry.
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Re: Conquer Cup. Allow me to buy you in.

Postby agentcom on Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Added credits to the first post. Tad quiet in here like the foundry.


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