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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:06 am

qwert wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:I still think that this is a cool medal. I also think that the criticisms of it are valid, so I'm not sure where I land. But I think you should cut qwert a little slack here. The idea is fun in concept. That it might not work out well because we have people that constantly abuse the system is not his fault.


well for all medal could be abuse, but these we will not have any medals at all. Like i say in first post,these its open for discussion, unfortunately for some people there its not discussion at all. What its worse, after they say negative about these suggestion, they come over and over again in these post to put negative pressure to everyone who maybe think that these its good idea.
After only 1 day of vote, they insist that these move to rejected? Its these normal?

Why don't you respond to the abuse aspect?

Why do you think that this will not lead to abuse?


qwert wrote:
Jippd wrote:Would it be decided based on when the games end or the game numbers themselves?


im not quite sure what you mean?

He is asking whether the consecutive victories go by the time the games finish or do they go by the game number.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Qwert on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:13 am

chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:I still think that this is a cool medal. I also think that the criticisms of it are valid, so I'm not sure where I land. But I think you should cut qwert a little slack here. The idea is fun in concept. That it might not work out well because we have people that constantly abuse the system is not his fault.


well for all medal could be abuse, but these we will not have any medals at all. Like i say in first post,these its open for discussion, unfortunately for some people there its not discussion at all. What its worse, after they say negative about these suggestion, they come over and over again in these post to put negative pressure to everyone who maybe think that these its good idea.
After only 1 day of vote, they insist that these move to rejected? Its these normal?

Why don't you respond to the abuse aspect?

Why do you think that this will not lead to abuse?


qwert wrote:
Jippd wrote:Would it be decided based on when the games end or the game numbers themselves?


im not quite sure what you mean?

He is asking whether the consecutive victories go by the time the games finish or do they go by the game number.

every medal can be abused ,even map medal can be abused to.
I dont know answer of second, what are better to use?
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby General Bax on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:15 am

did you check how many cc members will receive this medal upon it's release?
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Gilligan on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:43 am

Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Qwert on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:48 pm

Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:43 pm

qwert wrote:After only 1 day of vote, they insist that these move to rejected? Its these normal?

that is quite normal for bad ideas.

it happens all the time when someone asks for a Resign/Forfeit button.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Gilligan on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:23 pm

qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.


Even then.

With all due respect, qwert, it's nearly impossible for someone to win 100 games in a row (that have at LEAST 3 players). That's difficult enough, and you have to beat 200 unique opponents while doing it? No one will get gold.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:29 pm

Gilligan wrote:
qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.


Even then.

With all due respect, qwert, it's nearly impossible for someone to win 100 games in a row (that have at LEAST 3 players). That's difficult enough, and you have to beat 200 unique opponents while doing it? No one will get gold.


finding glg loopholes it would! or people could just create a usergroup with 101 players called "let's all get that damn gold fixing 100 games"
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Qwert on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:50 pm

Gilligan wrote:
qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.


Even then.

With all due respect, qwert, it's nearly impossible for someone to win 100 games in a row (that have at LEAST 3 players). That's difficult enough, and you have to beat 200 unique opponents while doing it? No one will get gold.


so then? we need to create medal who are not easy to achive, but recently i find that some members want to present any new idea,to be systematicaly farming, like that these not hepend in all present medals, but only in mine suggestion are clear case abouth farming?

edit-add "not"
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:57 pm

Gilligan wrote:
qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.


Even then.

With all due respect, qwert, it's nearly impossible for someone to win 100 games in a row (that have at LEAST 3 players). That's difficult enough, and you have to beat 200 unique opponents while doing it? No one will get gold.

and that is for 3 player games. 100 8-player victories means 700 uniques for gold.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:04 pm

qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
qwert wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Win 100 times in a row on 100 different maps?

No thanks.


these whas mistake in mine description, thanks giligan, i fix description now.


Even then.

With all due respect, qwert, it's nearly impossible for someone to win 100 games in a row (that have at LEAST 3 players). That's difficult enough, and you have to beat 200 unique opponents while doing it? No one will get gold.


so then? we need to create medal who are easy to achive, but recently i find that some members want to present any new idea,to be systematicaly farming, like that these not hepend in all present medals, but only in mine suggestion are clear case abouth farming?


this is not a new idea. again it has been proposed dozens of times. what is your longest winning streak qwert? how likely do you think it is to acheive this without being tempted to farm shamelessly? I know that if I'm in a huge winning streak I would be tempted to go glg style to not start over and most medalheads would. Just tell me how this "wonderfull and genuine idea of yours" could benefit the site...
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby agentcom on Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:28 pm

The person with the most games on this site Mageplunka69 has only 26 consecutive victories after 35,000+ games. 100 is really not realistic at all.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:03 pm

agentcom wrote:The person with the most games on this site Mageplunka69 has only 26 consecutive victories after 35,000+ games. 100 is really not realistic at all.


Then let's change the goalposts.

Bronze = 10
Silver = 15
Gold = 20
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Jippd on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:23 pm

agentcom wrote:The person with the most games on this site Mageplunka69 has only 26 consecutive victories after 35,000+ games. 100 is really not realistic at all.


There has to be someone out there that has higher than 26 in a row for the map specialists. I know I've gotten around 20ish myself on Das 1 v 1. Some players that come to mind are ccat or kaskavel on hive?
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:30 pm

Jippd wrote:
agentcom wrote:The person with the most games on this site Mageplunka69 has only 26 consecutive victories after 35,000+ games. 100 is really not realistic at all.


There has to be someone out there that has higher than 26 in a row for the map specialists. I know I've gotten around 20ish myself on Das 1 v 1. Some players that come to mind are ccat or kaskavel on hive?

qwert is excluding 1v1. it has to be on 3+ player games, and different players
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Jippd on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:49 pm

Ah I see that makes it much more difficult so 26 in a row is very impressive for mage plunka. I think the goal of 10, 15, and 20 sounds more reasonable though I doubt very many people would even earn a bronze. 10 wins in a row with 3+ players is pretty damn difficult IMO
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Qwert on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:24 am

Jippd wrote:Ah I see that makes it much more difficult so 26 in a row is very impressive for mage plunka. I think the goal of 10, 15, and 20 sounds more reasonable though I doubt very many people would even earn a bronze. 10 wins in a row with 3+ players is pretty damn difficult IMO


these its not final decision,its open for any suggestion who are accepted from community .
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby greenoaks on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:12 am

qwert wrote:
Jippd wrote:Ah I see that makes it much more difficult so 26 in a row is very impressive for mage plunka. I think the goal of 10, 15, and 20 sounds more reasonable though I doubt very many people would even earn a bronze. 10 wins in a row with 3+ players is pretty damn difficult IMO


these its not final decision,its open for any suggestion who are accepted from community .

bullshit, if you felt that way you wouldn't have foed me
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:26 am

greenoaks wrote:
qwert wrote:
Jippd wrote:Ah I see that makes it much more difficult so 26 in a row is very impressive for mage plunka. I think the goal of 10, 15, and 20 sounds more reasonable though I doubt very many people would even earn a bronze. 10 wins in a row with 3+ players is pretty damn difficult IMO


these its not final decision,its open for any suggestion who are accepted from community .

bullshit, if you felt that way you wouldn't have foed me


You've made your concerns well known, and you're right that gold being set to 100 medals is not going to win community support. That doesn't discount the possible value of this suggestion for more reasonable medal values; from now on, let's discuss those. I suggested my set because 20 wins is clearly very difficult, but also possible. Yes, it won't be like other medals, and yes, as with any feature on the site, abuse is possible. But 20 wins is much different from 100 wins; the risk of people being held hostage for long periods of time is not so large. As for the potential for farming, I think we just need to decide how much of an increased risk of that we're willing to accept. I think that the so-called farmers are a very small part of the community, and often get caught when they do it; to throw out something enjoyable because of a vast minority sets a bad precedent.
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Re: Consecutives Victories Medal-poll add

Postby Qwert on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:31 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
qwert wrote:
Jippd wrote:Ah I see that makes it much more difficult so 26 in a row is very impressive for mage plunka. I think the goal of 10, 15, and 20 sounds more reasonable though I doubt very many people would even earn a bronze. 10 wins in a row with 3+ players is pretty damn difficult IMO


these its not final decision,its open for any suggestion who are accepted from community .

bullshit, if you felt that way you wouldn't have foed me


You've made your concerns well known, and you're right that gold being set to 100 medals is not going to win community support. That doesn't discount the possible value of this suggestion for more reasonable medal values; from now on, let's discuss those. I suggested my set because 20 wins is clearly very difficult, but also possible. Yes, it won't be like other medals, and yes, as with any feature on the site, abuse is possible. But 20 wins is much different from 100 wins; the risk of people being held hostage for long periods of time is not so large. As for the potential for farming, I think we just need to decide how much of an increased risk of that we're willing to accept. I think that the so-called farmers are a very small part of the community, and often get caught when they do it; to throw out something enjoyable because of a vast minority sets a bad precedent.

unfortunate with some people you can not discuss, they hold for hes statement and only demand that hes words are most valuable.
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Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1)
Fog of War Achievement (3) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (1) Tournament Achievement (5) General Achievement (3) Clan Achievement (6)
Training Achievement (2) Map Contribution (8) Tournament Contribution (22) General Contribution (4)

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