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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby betiko on Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:24 am

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Funkyterrance wrote:My point is that risk is a strategy game and based considerably on luck. Games where you are shooting for a "high score" are entirely different and more or less rely on reflexes/knowledge of the specific details of the game.
Manipulating your games to cause yourself to have a high score for a period of time is not what risk is all about and yes, the scoring system has perverted the game to some extent here on CC in this respect. This suggestion will only make this worse.

i couldn't agree more.

changing win % to something that factors in number of players/teams in a game would be a much better update to our profile page. having a 45% win rate if you only play 1v1 or 4 player dubs shows your ability is far different to someone who plays only 5 or 7 player games.



I couldn't agree more on the win % that makes absolutely no sense the way it's presented, and I would like it to be broken down into 50% games (1vs1 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4), 33,3% games (1v1v1; 2v2v2), 25% games (1v1v1v1; 2v2v2v2), 20% games (5 players singles), 16,7% (6 players singles), 14,3% (7 players singles), 12,5% (players singles). All these being coeficiently weighted based on the amount of games on each/total games played, then recalibrated on a 100 index. (but if you agree with this, based on your logic people would "care" about their % and only think about farming...)

Regarding high scores I don't. Having a line on your profile that mentions your high score is not going to change the way people play. Worse case it will make everyone more competitive and I don't see the problem. As you can already see on CC for many years, tons of players are aware of their high score.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby Grifter on Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:39 pm

Showing highest attain rank is just a way to show an achievement (ie. I was once a Colonel, General). Xbox and PS3 both have a way of showing achievements/trophys. Think of athletes that once won a gold medal. They may not be able to repeat the accomplishment but are proud to have done it once.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby betiko on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:48 am

Grifter wrote:Showing highest attain rank is just a way to show an achievement (ie. I was once a Colonel, General). Xbox and PS3 both have a way of showing achievements/trophys. Think of athletes that once won a gold medal. They may not be able to repeat the accomplishment but are proud to have done it once.


well yeah let's take an athlete. I guess that if you do a profile page about him and he runs the 100 meter dash, you would give his best result (9'68s or whatever) even if he now runs in 10'11s
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:44 pm

betiko wrote:
Grifter wrote:Showing highest attain rank is just a way to show an achievement (ie. I was once a Colonel, General). Xbox and PS3 both have a way of showing achievements/trophys. Think of athletes that once won a gold medal. They may not be able to repeat the accomplishment but are proud to have done it once.


well yeah let's take an athlete. I guess that if you do a profile page about him and he runs the 100 meter dash, you would give his best result (9'68s or whatever) even if he now runs in 10'11s


This may be true. I'm not arguing that highest score is a commonly used metric. I am not denying that your highest score is a type of achievement. I am merely arguing that highest score does not, in any case "let other players know what kind of player I am".

If you were going to bet on a horse (I am sure 100m dash runners are the same) you get the entire race history, not just the highest score.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby nicestash on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:37 pm

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betiko wrote:
Grifter wrote:Showing highest attain rank is just a way to show an achievement (ie. I was once a Colonel, General). Xbox and PS3 both have a way of showing achievements/trophys. Think of athletes that once won a gold medal. They may not be able to repeat the accomplishment but are proud to have done it once.


well yeah let's take an athlete. I guess that if you do a profile page about him and he runs the 100 meter dash, you would give his best result (9'68s or whatever) even if he now runs in 10'11s


This may be true. I'm not arguing that highest score is a commonly used metric. I am not denying that your highest score is a type of achievement. I am merely arguing that highest score does not, in any case "let other players know what kind of player I am".

If you were going to bet on a horse (I am sure 100m dash runners are the same) you get the entire race history, not just the highest score.

But I bet they'll highlight the horse's best race ;)
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:35 pm

http://www.equibase.com/samples/eqbfullpp.pdf

Here's a sample. Scroll down for a bit. In the top right of a horse are numbers

2011: x
2012: y
Life: x or y

Those are the Meyer scores. That is the only thing they actually highlight "best of". The thing is to make an informed decision you need statistically valid information.

However, that is neither here nor there.

While I don't approve this suggestion as a means to get to know players, as an achievement I can support it. It doesn't make sense for me to support most medal suggestions but not support this measure of achievement.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby betiko on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:51 pm

nicestash wrote:
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betiko wrote:
Grifter wrote:Showing highest attain rank is just a way to show an achievement (ie. I was once a Colonel, General). Xbox and PS3 both have a way of showing achievements/trophys. Think of athletes that once won a gold medal. They may not be able to repeat the accomplishment but are proud to have done it once.


well yeah let's take an athlete. I guess that if you do a profile page about him and he runs the 100 meter dash, you would give his best result (9'68s or whatever) even if he now runs in 10'11s


This may be true. I'm not arguing that highest score is a commonly used metric. I am not denying that your highest score is a type of achievement. I am merely arguing that highest score does not, in any case "let other players know what kind of player I am".

If you were going to bet on a horse (I am sure 100m dash runners are the same) you get the entire race history, not just the highest score.

But I bet they'll highlight the horse's best race ;)


they'd highlight the horse's current status (actual score) and best results (high score)
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby swimmerdude99 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:04 pm

I really think Funky has gone.... well... Funky. Whats wrong with this? It doesn't HARM anyone. If you don't care about it and think people who do care are frivolous or just stupid... thats your opinion. Oh well. But it really doesn't HARM you. For people like myself or Betiko for that fact. we sometimes like to just play any game type, against any opponents for the hell of it. But its also nice to know where you did peak at. For me I really want to hit brig once, because I know that I am capable... I just like playing too many luckbased games as well that give me a thrill. But those games aren't really indicative of my skill level or what I'm capable. And some people just love stats. I don't think its really fair to shoot down someone else's party just cause you wouldn't enjoy it.

I don't like ice cream cake. But I won't say nobody should have that for their birthday.
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High score in Profile

Postby dakky21 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:41 pm

High Score in Profile

Currently, users themselves put "High score" in Interests line, as there is no automated High Score system. We all go up and down, so automated system which would remember your highest score would be perfect for motivation to get even higher score.

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So if possible, just one line below Interests, there would be "High score" and it would write in points how many did you got... EVER... :)
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Re: High score in Profile

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:30 pm

dakky21 wrote:High Score in Profile

Currently, users themselves put "High score" in Interests line, as there is no automated High Score system. We all go up and down, so automated system which would remember your highest score would be perfect for motivation to get even higher score.



So if possible, just one line below Interests, there would be "High score" and it would write in points how many did you got... EVER... :)


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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby betiko on Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:10 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:I really think Funky has gone.... well... Funky. Whats wrong with this? It doesn't HARM anyone. If you don't care about it and think people who do care are frivolous or just stupid... thats your opinion. Oh well. But it really doesn't HARM you. For people like myself or Betiko for that fact. we sometimes like to just play any game type, against any opponents for the hell of it. But its also nice to know where you did peak at. For me I really want to hit brig once, because I know that I am capable... I just like playing too many luckbased games as well that give me a thrill. But those games aren't really indicative of my skill level or what I'm capable. And some people just love stats. I don't think its really fair to shoot down someone else's party just cause you wouldn't enjoy it.

I don't like ice cream cake. But I won't say nobody should have that for their birthday.


lol nicely said swimmer!
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby qwertylpc on Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:07 pm

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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby Funkyterrance on Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:12 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:I really think Funky has gone.... well... Funky. Whats wrong with this? It doesn't HARM anyone. If you don't care about it and think people who do care are frivolous or just stupid... thats your opinion. Oh well. But it really doesn't HARM you. For people like myself or Betiko for that fact. we sometimes like to just play any game type, against any opponents for the hell of it. But its also nice to know where you did peak at. For me I really want to hit brig once, because I know that I am capable... I just like playing too many luckbased games as well that give me a thrill. But those games aren't really indicative of my skill level or what I'm capable. And some people just love stats. I don't think its really fair to shoot down someone else's party just cause you wouldn't enjoy it.

I don't like ice cream cake. But I won't say nobody should have that for their birthday.


Imho It's an unnecessary use of resources for reasons I've already stated. I'm not sure why you are targeting me personally and not simply countering my arguments but oh well...
I don't think this suggestion is worth implementing when there are many other suggestions that would actually add to the game in a significant way. To me, this is enough reason to not enact this suggestion. A lot of suggestions that are rejected don't HARM anyone, they just don't get enough support or are too trifling, etc.. I'm giving my reasons why I think it should get the chop and it sounds like you are trying to silence me or something. I've not got the right to give my opinion regarding this suggestion?

Also, the very significant issue of a player winning Battle Royales and sending their score into orbit still hasn't been addressed.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:55 am

Another problem with this suggestion is in regard to stalling.
For example: Player X starts 50 games and finishes the games in which he/she is going to win and stalls those games which he/she is going to lose, thus creating an artificial and relatively temporary rise in rank. Another reason why when I see "highest rank" in someone's profile I take it with a grain of salt. I see certain players flip from private first class to major within a day or so and I realize that these people may just have a high game load and of course every once in a while probability will give them a high rank.
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Re: Show highest attained rank on profile

Postby Qwert on Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:25 am

funky these sugestion are related on user statistic, nothing more and nothing less. When i give these suggestion,i never think that these could be use for other player check, its pure statistic ,and same like Total Post-Most active forum--mosta active topic user statistic.
I realy dont see how these could be use like strategical informacion?
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