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Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby MeanestBossEver on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:57 am

Concise description:
The sitter situation is a massive flaw. It is absurd that I should have to give someone full access to my account, including my password, to have them take one turn for me.

Specifics/Details:
There have been several great ideas on how to implement this. Any of them will be a massive improvement over the current situation:

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How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
The current model is insecure, prone to mischief, lacks a clear ability to audit, and is just sloppy. It's been six years since it was first suggested.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Mageplunka69 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:42 am

I agree with the man
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby watsy on Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:49 pm

Yes agree

Another site I played on you have to list your sitters and only allowed 2 and these sign in with own password this works well to me ;)
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Shayetet13 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:47 pm

get someone you trust exchange passwords and cell phone numbers, call them tell them to take your turn if u have something un expected come up
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby MeanestBossEver on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:25 pm

Shayetet13 wrote:get someone you trust exchange passwords and cell phone numbers, call them tell them to take your turn if u have something un expected come up


This is not a fix. This is a bad hack. Everyone who knows anything about security will tell you never to share your password. There is no reason that someone who is taking a turn for me needs to be able to:

1. Make comments as me.
2. Read my messages.
3. Get passwords that other people have sent me (oops...they didn't want to share with him)
4. Friend and foe people.
5. Join games as me.
6. Make ratings as me.
7. Access private forums.
8. Get my email address.
9. Change communication preferences.
10. Change my password.
11. Add and remove people from my clan (for clan leaders).
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Shayetet13 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:34 am

it comes down to trust, plus who cant set aside a little time to take their turns even if they are on vacation or something
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:52 am

So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:51 am

watsy wrote:Yes agree

Another site I played on you have to list your sitters and only allowed 2 and these sign in with own password this works well to me ;)

Yes, this would be great. Prevent password sharing entirely. Allow sitting, but have the actions of each sitter trackable through having to sign in as themselves.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:49 am

watsy wrote:Yes agree

Another site I played on you have to list your sitters and only allowed 2 and these sign in with own password this works well to me ;)


This would be awesome. Even better if it could put both names, the sitter in parentheses: sittee (sitter) wherever the sitter did something.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:09 pm

The worst thing about sitting is that I have to get used to whether or not the players table is on the bottom or side, the size of the map and all those things.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby watsy on Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:28 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
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Yes, this would be great. Prevent password sharing entirely. Allow sitting, but have the actions of each sitter trackable through having to sign in as themselves.



Sitter mode would protect your password perfectly
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby watsy on Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:33 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:The worst thing about sitting is that I have to get used to whether or not the players table is on the bottom or side, the size of the map and all those things.


If you used your password could you sign in with your settings
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby watsy on Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.



How easy would this be to do jd :?:
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby clangfield on Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:40 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

As long as that includes the ability to chat to (temporary) team-mates.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby chapcrap on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:42 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby codierose on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:09 am

chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

totally disagree as a sitter you should only ever sit a turn never read PM's, place posts as that person or anything apart from take a turn.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby rishaed on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:13 am

chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
    -if its for a game Gamechat is there for a reason.....
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
    -Ditto.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

The other part is Its a Sitter not, the user... If things need posted in a tourney and you have set sitters then you can say before you go (XXX will be sitting for me and will post the necessary information in between these dates) As a tournament mod (haven't been one yet) but theoretically I would understand. Same thing for editing an old post. Let your clannies know that you will be gone on certain dates and will be updating it afterwards, and therefor have someone quote original post wanting to edit and update as needed. (If your sitter is a clannie even better!)
Even So This would only be acceptable with a Set verifiable sitting system.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:15 am

codierose wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

totally disagree as a sitter you should only ever sit a turn never read PM's, place posts as that person or anything apart from take a turn.

It was just a thought. But still, make it a "Sitter Mode" Where it allows the person sitting to do only certain things. Maybe it can be in the Game Settings, where We have a Place for Sitter Mode and people modify it to their likings. For instance, a box to check "Let sitters read PM's? [Currently set to: No]" or [Let sitters post in forums? [Currently set to: Yes]"

It's just in the beginning thinking process; hopefully we can expound on it.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Agent 86 on Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:49 am

codierose wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

totally disagree as a sitter you should only ever sit a turn never read PM's, place posts as that person or anything apart from take a turn.


Absolutely agree a sitter is there only to take turns for the away player nothing else. So sitters rights should be limited to this and only this.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Vid_FISO on Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:18 am

A scenario that some are overlooking/ unaware of/ simply couldn't care less about -

a player has a family/ personal emergency and will not have any time to log into CC for an unspecified time period, (s)he is playing a large number of games, both individual and team, including a number of tourneys, some of which send the invites out via pm. I believe that it is acceptable to accept invites to already entered tourneys whilst sitting, but if those invites are sitting in the "in box" how does the sitter know that they're there if prevented from accessing them?
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby watsy on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:14 pm

Agent 86 wrote:
codierose wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

totally disagree as a sitter you should only ever sit a turn never read PM's, place posts as that person or anything apart from take a turn.


Absolutely agree a sitter is there only to take turns for the away player nothing else. So sitters rights should be limited to this and only this.


Lot of support for sitter mode now lets get it right and make it work you mods maybe vote for a yes or no to this yes ?
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby codierose on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:46 pm

Vid_FISO wrote:A scenario that some are overlooking/ unaware of/ simply couldn't care less about -

a player has a family/ personal emergency and will not have any time to log into CC for an unspecified time period, (s)he is playing a large number of games, both individual and team, including a number of tourneys, some of which send the invites out via pm. I believe that it is acceptable to accept invites to already entered tourneys whilst sitting, but if those invites are sitting in the "in box" how does the sitter know that they're there if prevented from accessing them?

in an emergency not knowing how long the member would be absent how is ok to join invites they might never be able to take turns. Surely would it not be better to ask a sitter to be a substitute instead. Are tourneys, wars and games really that important to read PMs or join invites.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:54 pm

watsy wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:
codierose wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:So basically what your suggesting is, to make a "Sitter Mode" in which you can put your account to protect PM's, Forum information, etc.? So basically taking turns.

The problem with this, as previously discussed in the Mod's Forum, is that as a sitter, you occasionally need to do some things outside of simply playing games. For instance:
  • Posting in a tournament thread that requires it.
  • Checking PM's for time sensitive information, like game strategy with teammates or a PM with information about joining tournament games.
  • Sending PM's to teammates about strategy.
  • Editing old post information, like updating a war thread in the Clan area.

totally disagree as a sitter you should only ever sit a turn never read PM's, place posts as that person or anything apart from take a turn.


Absolutely agree a sitter is there only to take turns for the away player nothing else. So sitters rights should be limited to this and only this.


Lot of support for sitter mode now lets get it right and make it work you mods maybe vote for a yes or no to this yes ?


Jdsizzleslice wrote:It was just a thought. But still, make it a "Sitter Mode" Where it allows the person sitting to do only certain things. Maybe it can be in the Game Settings, where We have a Place for Sitter Mode and people modify it to their likings. For instance, a box to check "Let sitters read PM's? [Currently set to: No]" or [Let sitters post in forums? [Currently set to: Yes]"

It's just in the beginning thinking process; hopefully we can expound on it.


Well, what do you all think? What do YOU members of CC want?
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby chapcrap on Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:34 pm

codierose wrote:Are tourneys, wars and games really that important to read PMs or join invites.

Yes.
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Re: Fix the Sitter Situation

Postby zimmah on Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:33 pm

True, it's also quite hard to keep track of games of clanmates and friends (at least without addons). A sitter feature that also shows the games of friends that are about to expire on top of the lists, or warns you in some way, so that they won't miss a turn while you could have avoided it would be nice.

I imagine it somewhat like this:

a player can appoint one or more 'emergency sitters' that are permanent sitters that can act in emergency situations. They'll automatically gain the rights to sit when one of the following criteria is met:

1) a game reaches below a certain threshold in hours left to act (like 2 hours maybe) (sitting rights will only count for that one game) (since there's a pretty short time frame, a sitter should have the option to receive an email when he is able to take a turn, maybe even get a warning ahead of time, should be an optional setting).
2) a game will expire in a time where player would not be able to take his turn. A player can define "off hours" in their profile. For example someone listed on their profile that he's unable to take a turn on each Saturday between 13:00 and 19:00 and a turn in a game expires at 18:34 . If the turn was not taken before 13:00 than the sitter will be able to take the turn in those games starting from 13:00, because it's unlikely the player will show up.

In both cases, the game should show up in the list of games of the sitter, maybe marked with a different color or something. But they should be easy to spot so that the sitter will not overlook them.

Next to that, a player can also appoint a temporarily sitter that has full control of all turns in all games for a set period of time in case of vacation. The temporary sitter will have all games show up in their list for the full turn time until the player gets back.

A sitter will be appointed by the player, and has to be confirmed by the sitter.

Ofc there can be other solutions, but this is how I think it could work.
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