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Re: The Real Manual deployment

Postby Armandolas on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:08 am

jsnyder748 wrote:Ya we used to do this with the board game. everyone would go for australia :D

What happens when someone misses the deployment stage? would it take many rounds to place troops before the game even started?


You are right, we used to play real time games with time limit(like speed here) and also in the board me and my friends did that.
I guess this would be more apropriated in speed games
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Re: The Real Manual deployment

Postby HardAttack on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:24 am

Armandolas wrote:
jsnyder748 wrote:Ya we used to do this with the board game. everyone would go for australia :D

What happens when someone misses the deployment stage? would it take many rounds to place troops before the game even started?


You are right, we used to play real time games with time limit(like speed here) and also in the board me and my friends this that.
I guess this would be more apropriated in speed games


armandolas =D> i am with you here,
i have got a few questions, allow me please...

how is the territory pick session going to work ?
1 by 1 fashion ? 1 you, 1 your opponent, then 1 you again and so on ?
If not, what way else ?
O:)
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Re: The Real Manual deployment

Postby Armandolas on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:28 am

HardAttack wrote:armandolas =D> i am with you here,
i have got a few questions, allow me please...

how is the territory pick session going to work ?
1 by 1 fashion ? 1 you, 1 your opponent, then 1 you again and so on ?
If not, what way else ?
O:)


yes, it should be turn based...i wonder how FS would turn...a real rush to the gold...heheh
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Wed May 01, 2013 5:18 pm

I have suggested a few ideas on manual deployment. Time factor (in game play) was not an issue.
Might not of been the best idea (I do think it was a good suggestion).

Some of the responses I got were; This, manual set up would be similar to copying the initial placement of other board games.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

Seems like any Idea would be better than RANDOM!
Not a whole lot of thought was put into the current ''Random set up''.
CC feels it is good enough and I am sure the Coding (to implement change) is a big problem for them.

All Suggestions should be Basic and simple.
Nobody wants to put the man hours in to improve this game.

It is a simple basic fun game. Lets keep it that way.
Once you start to add Variants and the like it gets a bit more complicated. Might take away the power of the dice.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 01, 2013 7:54 pm

waltero wrote:I have suggested a few ideas on manual deployment. Time factor (in game play) was not an issue.
Might not of been the best idea (I do think it was a good suggestion).

Some of the responses I got were; This, manual set up would be similar to copying the initial placement of other board games.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

Seems like any Idea would be better than RANDOM!
Not a whole lot of thought was put into the current ''Random set up''.
CC feels it is good enough and I am sure the Coding (to implement change) is a big problem for them.

All Suggestions should be Basic and simple.
Nobody wants to put the man hours in to improve this game.

It is a simple basic fun game. Lets keep it that way.
Once you start to add Variants and the like it gets a bit more complicated. Might take away the power of the dice.

the biggest issue with this is the time it would take to start a game. time is not a factor when you are all sitting at the dining table but here, where we have 24 hours to take a turn, 8 players, a large map. it could be several months before the game starts.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby Fazeem on Wed May 01, 2013 9:41 pm

greenoaks wrote:
waltero wrote:I have suggested a few ideas on manual deployment. Time factor (in game play) was not an issue.
Might not of been the best idea (I do think it was a good suggestion).

Some of the responses I got were; This, manual set up would be similar to copying the initial placement of other board games.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

Seems like any Idea would be better than RANDOM!
Not a whole lot of thought was put into the current ''Random set up''.
CC feels it is good enough and I am sure the Coding (to implement change) is a big problem for them.

All Suggestions should be Basic and simple.
Nobody wants to put the man hours in to improve this game.

It is a simple basic fun game. Lets keep it that way.
Once you start to add Variants and the like it gets a bit more complicated. Might take away the power of the dice.

the biggest issue with this is the time it would take to start a game. time is not a factor when you are all sitting at the dining table but here, where we have 24 hours to take a turn, 8 players, a large map. it could be several months before the game starts.

Simplest solution to that issue is make it a Premium only Speed Game only Feature. I say this as a Loyal Freemium that such additional benefits and gameplay types could be the tipping point where I would find a way to justify budgeting in the money for premium membership. In all honesty I am surprised that more of the great suggestion I see here are not implemented as Premium only features, I would think that would definitely make Premium more enticing the more benefits and special features offered with it.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Thu May 02, 2013 6:38 am

Fazeem wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
waltero wrote:I have suggested a few ideas on manual deployment. Time factor (in game play) was not an issue.
Might not of been the best idea (I do think it was a good suggestion).

Some of the responses I got were; This, manual set up would be similar to copying the initial placement of other board games.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

Seems like any Idea would be better than RANDOM!
Not a whole lot of thought was put into the current ''Random set up''.
CC feels it is good enough and I am sure the Coding (to implement change) is a big problem for them.

All Suggestions should be Basic and simple.
Nobody wants to put the man hours in to improve this game.

It is a simple basic fun game. Lets keep it that way.
Once you start to add Variants and the like it gets a bit more complicated. Might take away the power of the dice.

the biggest issue with this is the time it would take to start a game. time is not a factor when you are all sitting at the dining table but here, where we have 24 hours to take a turn, 8 players, a large map. it could be several months before the game starts.

Simplest solution to that issue is make it a Premium only Speed Game only Feature. I say this as a Loyal Freemium that such additional benefits and gameplay types could be the tipping point where I would find a way to justify budgeting in the money for premium membership. In all honesty I am surprised that more of the great suggestion I see here are not implemented as Premium only features, I would think that would definitely make Premium more enticing the more benefits and special features offered with it.

features only for Speed to not get implemented. the reward is for too small a pool of players.

and even for Speed, it could take an hour or more before the game starts - there's nothing 'Speed' about that. when you're playing at home with your mates you know noone is going anywhere for a few hours. not so here. it just doesn't lend itself to the site.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby Fazeem on Thu May 02, 2013 10:11 am

greenoaks wrote:
Fazeem wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
waltero wrote:I have suggested a few ideas on manual deployment. Time factor (in game play) was not an issue.
Might not of been the best idea (I do think it was a good suggestion).

Some of the responses I got were; This, manual set up would be similar to copying the initial placement of other board games.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

Seems like any Idea would be better than RANDOM!
Not a whole lot of thought was put into the current ''Random set up''.
CC feels it is good enough and I am sure the Coding (to implement change) is a big problem for them.

All Suggestions should be Basic and simple.
Nobody wants to put the man hours in to improve this game.

It is a simple basic fun game. Lets keep it that way.
Once you start to add Variants and the like it gets a bit more complicated. Might take away the power of the dice.

the biggest issue with this is the time it would take to start a game. time is not a factor when you are all sitting at the dining table but here, where we have 24 hours to take a turn, 8 players, a large map. it could be several months before the game starts.

Simplest solution to that issue is make it a Premium only Speed Game only Feature. I say this as a Loyal Freemium that such additional benefits and gameplay types could be the tipping point where I would find a way to justify budgeting in the money for premium membership. In all honesty I am surprised that more of the great suggestion I see here are not implemented as Premium only features, I would think that would definitely make Premium more enticing the more benefits and special features offered with it.

features only for Speed to not get implemented. the reward is for too small a pool of players.

and even for Speed, it could take an hour or more before the game starts - there's nothing 'Speed' about that. when you're playing at home with your mates you know noone is going anywhere for a few hours. not so here. it just doesn't lend itself to the site.

I highly disagree also the simplest solution for that is if you do not like the game type do not play it. The more options this site offers the better the more value people can see in it. There is no reason that any reasonable or popular feature should not be implemented as long as it is offered as a option and does not detract or remove other options. Diversity is the name of the game.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Thu May 02, 2013 5:20 pm

Fazeem wrote:I highly disagree also the simplest solution for that is if you do not like the game type do not play it. The more options this site offers the better the more value people can see in it. There is no reason that any reasonable or popular feature should not be implemented as long as it is offered as a option and does not detract or remove other options. Diversity is the name of the game.

more features splits a small pool of players. games take longer to fill. the site loses its vibrancy. people leave.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Sat May 04, 2013 2:44 pm

My suggestion for Manual terit selection. ''Time was not an issue''. When I said time was not a factor, what I meant to say was Time was irrelevant. It would take one 24 hour (one turn at the same time for every player) period for all to select their terits.

It is good we post things like this. If you can add or if you do agree with something that you think should be implemented plz post your approval.

I think my Idea would work well and be a whole lot better than Random.

Look it up.
Not sure why...but most people did not understand what I was talking about.


Placement of initial armies.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Sat May 04, 2013 3:06 pm

We already have plenty of people (the guys who do the coding for such idea's) who whole heartily disagree with suggestions. :?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Sat May 04, 2013 5:44 pm

waltero wrote:My suggestion for Manual terit selection. ''Time was not an issue''. When I said time was not a factor, what I meant to say was Time was irrelevant. It would take one 24 hour (one turn at the same time for every player) period for all to select their terits.

It is good we post things like this. If you can add or if you do agree with something that you think should be implemented plz post your approval.

I think my Idea would work well and be a whole lot better than Random.

Look it up.
Not sure why...but most people did not understand what I was talking about.


Placement of initial armies.

we do understand and the first post explains why this is a bad idea for CC. this does not make it a bad idea for home, on your own board.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Sun May 05, 2013 4:46 pm

Not sure I follow you Greenoaks?
Looks to me that time factor is the major reason why you feel this is not a good idea.

If that be the case...I do not understand why A one time 24 hour period for every player to do there initial set up at the same time would be a problem?
If you think 24 hours too long, players could pick there terits once they click join game. THen you would have no down time =D>
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Sun May 05, 2013 4:54 pm

I will try one more time to explain it.


We have a game board with 16 territory's. (yes small, just for example)

first turn........Red------1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16
second turn...Blue-----1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16
third turn.......Green---1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16
fourth turn.....Pink-----1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16

Every player would receive 1-14 Placement Chits (choices)

Everybody would place one number on a single territory, until every number has been placed.
24 hours to place. in turn order
Concealed not concealed no matter (what ever works for you).

Once all the numbers have been place on the board or the 24 hours have passed...the Computer would take over and Figure out who would get what.
Placement would be in turn order...so number one (first turn) player would pick and place all his chits (choices) down at one time. Second player would do the same...the only place he could not put (have a choice to place) a chit would be on player ones first choice territory. the last player (say 5th) would not be allowed to place his first placement number (choice) on any of the previous four players first choice number (it would block him from doing so)


Now let us Say Green placed his number 2 chit on same territory (Kalamazoo) as Red. You have red and green on same territory with the same number.
Green would have to concede that Territory to Red...Being that red is first on placement order (turn order).

Now what would happen to Greens number 2 chit (choice).
Keep in mind that all players (computer) are now deciding everybody 2nd placement (choice). ( 1 has already been dealt with in turn order. there could be no conflict.).

Green would be displaced...he would place his Army on his number 3 Chit (choice) territory (Timbuktu).
his 2nd choice would now move to his 3th placement. Because he was not able to receive his number 2 choice, he would see if he gets his number 3 choice.

OK now let us say..Blue has already got his number 2 on Timbuktu, Which is also Greens (now) 3rd choice? Green would have to (because Blue is before Green in turn placement order) then place his army on his number 4 choice (territory, chit). His number 4 would now be his number 2...5 would be his three 6 would change to fourth and so forth.
The computer would keep track of all his.


Every player would end up having 4 territory's at end of set up.

I understand that people like to place there units on territory's for this reason or that reason...This would still be better than Random.
Might bring new ideas and strategy on Placement.

Light up a region (not territory) that has a number one Choice (chit) in it...so the player can see where the others have made there first choice placement. If multiple players are in one Region (for there first choice) multiple colors would light up that Region.

Or you could just have everybody place at the same time...and any displace chits (choices )could be dropped random.

Game start, reverse turn order.

Bid for territory's might work as well. simply place your armies (the armies you receive for game play) on Territory, and one with most armies win the bid


Yes, a players ''first Choice'' (only there first choice) would not be available to everybody who follows him...in placement order.

It is all hidden (fog) placement. except you would see one color or a multiple of colors blanketing each country (not terit).
If one color (or numbers..what ever) appears then you know that a previous player has Chosen that country (not terit) as his first choice placement. You then would know that country has been (possibly) claimed by a player.

If 'you' then place your first choice pick in that same country, then the next players to place their numbered choices down, would see Two colors blanketing that country.
Then they would understand that Two players have made there first pick in that same country.

Just as if you were sitting at a table and watching the player Chose what country he is going for at start...except you have no idea who that player is (unless you are the second player to place, his set up).

If you drop your first (only first) choice in the same terit as a previous player...it would make a horrible sound and you would have to chose again.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Sun May 05, 2013 5:02 pm

Here it is again...Such a great suggestion I think It needs to be re posted :P
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Sun May 05, 2013 5:37 pm

you can't do this in one 24 hour period. what i select will be impacted by what you select. what you select will be impacted by what i select.

with consecutive turns picking territories, weeks may go by before everyone has completed their picks.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Mon May 06, 2013 3:50 pm

I can not figure out why you continue to think that greenoaks?

When you join in the game...you can have players chose there first terit at that time. Then once game begins everybody would chose the remaining terits. Onces the 24 hours has past the computer would do the rest (allocate the terits according to the player choice (pick) in turn order.

It is workable. TIs far better than Random! looks to be a basic program as well.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon May 06, 2013 4:42 pm

waltero wrote:I can not figure out why you continue to think that greenoaks?

When you join in the game...you can have players chose there first terit at that time. Then once game begins everybody would chose the remaining terits. Onces the 24 hours has past the computer would do the rest (allocate the terits according to the player choice (pick) in turn order.

It is workable. TIs far better than Random! looks to be a basic program as well.


That system does not work.

IIRC, the SOC (Society of Cooks) spent a lenghty thread discussing territories on Classic. Long story short, Chicago is the best territory. If people choose their first territory when they join a game then the game creator will always get Chicago.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Mon May 06, 2013 4:55 pm

waltero wrote:I can not figure out why you continue to think that greenoaks?

When you join in the game...you can have players chose there first terit at that time. Then once game begins everybody would chose the remaining terits. Onces the 24 hours has past the computer would do the rest (allocate the terits according to the player choice (pick) in turn order.

It is workable. TIs far better than Random! looks to be a basic program as well.

but i won't know what terits i want until i see what other players have already chosen, they won't know what they want until they have seen what i have chosen.

that is how you play it at home, 1 selection at a time.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Tue May 07, 2013 10:51 pm

@doomYoshi, Not true! Games (of Risk) are played with this start up all the time.

@ Greenoaks, Some people do not like to play with random draw. Even fewer players like to use random draw on many of the maps that CC provides.
Many maps are not playable using random placement when there are less than four players.

Have you ever played Risk with the option to chose your terits?
Risk is played with this option all the time...CC does not provide an option for this.

Not sure what you are wanting? Players of CC wish to have a Manual placement of Terits. The Suggestion I have proposed is real close...not much different than what players get while sitting at a table (better if you ask me) Playing Risk. You see where the first player places then on to the second and then you decide (if you are the third player) where it is you want to place.

SO if you see that joe Shmuckatelly has placed his first Army (terit) in South America...what you going to do? You can oppose him and place in the same country as he or you can place in a Country that no other has place and try to control that region.

If you are worried about where players place there Armies (entire forces) just have 3 per terit.


It is always the first Army that is placed that decides what and where a player will place his other units. When A player Places his first unit in South America you know where he will place next. Now of course every now and again you get an oddball (such as myself) that places all willy nilly. Is that really going to effect your subsequent placement?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed May 08, 2013 11:45 am

waltero wrote:@doomYoshi, Not true! Games (of Risk) are played with this start up all the time.

@ Greenoaks, Some people do not like to play with random draw. Even fewer players like to use random draw on many of the maps that CC provides.
Many maps are not playable using random placement when there are less than four players.

Have you ever played Risk with the option to chose your terits?
Risk is played with this option all the time...CC does not provide an option for this.



Yes, I have played that way. That's why I know it's a terrible setting, even if it didn't take tons of time.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Wed May 08, 2013 3:47 pm

Yes I have tried it this way (my Suggestion). Four players; four decks of cards (risk cards).
It was a fun game. Everybody picked there first terit in turn order (Open for every player to see). Then we gave everybody a risk deck (full deck minus there first terit choice) and then put all four decks on table and pulled first card form the first players deck...followed by second player and third then fourth.

It works!

Even if it is as you say, Terrible setting. Many players would disagree with you. I do not know how many games of Risk I have played. I would guess I have played over 60% with the drop army (pick Territory) method.

Taking a normal game of Risk (Original board) It might not be so fun. I would like to state that more than a few of the boards that CC has come out with...Random is not playable and really sucks.

It just might be that we come up with a system that works.

So we just sit and do nothing. Play with the only option available (no Option at all).
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 08, 2013 4:52 pm

waltero wrote:It just might be that we come up with a system that works.

So we just sit and do nothing. Play with the only option available (no Option at all).

yes, lets do that.

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