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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Thu May 09, 2013 2:39 pm

Yes, Keep it simple. No need for any of this Malarkey!
In game Suggestions are null and void.
Coding will take too long and too many man hours involved (to implement anything worthwhile)
CC has many people wanting to play the game as it is.

For those of us who are getting bored with this game, best to move on.
CC is going nowhere. This game is all Dice and will continue to be so...therefore it is a silly (fun) Game and never going to be a real War game.
No imagination or creativity for 'real' game change.

Risk is good for what it is. But I do not think that CC is looking for (game) change.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby agentcom on Wed May 15, 2013 2:09 am

The OP pretty much covers the debate here. Someone suggests manual selection. People say it takes to long. Two "fixes are offered": speed games only and preference lists. I'll refer you to the OP for a concise explanation of why those don't work.

I've been in favor of this suggestion as a premium-only option for as long as I can remember. The only reason I say premium only is that I would hate for a freemium to accidentally stumble into one of these. I don't like the argument that it makes games take too long as long as players are voluntarily choosing to play this way. But alas, I don't think this one is going to be implemented any time soon. Doesn't mean we can't keep trying though!
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby waltero on Wed May 15, 2013 4:48 pm

5 players Manual set up could take 5 days just to get started.

How much time is considered too long?

What if you use my method and do it in increments?

Essentially you would be able to view everybody's first few picks then it could swap first turn (turn to chose terits) player and cycle trough each individual player to have first pick.

Time is no longer an issue.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby Fazeem on Fri May 17, 2013 6:23 pm

I still think this should be a premium only feature that could only be used for speed games. That resolves the biggest issues with it and also provides yet another incentive to go Gold.
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New deployment type- Choose territories

Postby georgizhukov on Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:22 am

New deployment type- Choose territories

This admittedly has probably been discussed before, but I cannot find it after a quick search so I will throw it out there. The game of risk was played by picking territories one person at the time in a sequential fashion, and I would love to see that option available on CC. Some maps obviously would not work with this setting (any map with defined starting positions). This setting would probably work best in a speeder due to time concerns in a casual game, but their might be application to both...but this would introduce entirely new strategy to the site.

This would benefit the site by: introducing a new deployment option/ new strategy/ etc

Let me know what you think or if this has already been axed..

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby spiesr on Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:37 pm

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby chapcrap on Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:54 pm

I haven't really seen any negatives to this other than it taking a long time to choose territories. Any objections right now?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:18 pm

chapcrap wrote:I haven't really seen any negatives to this other than it taking a long time to choose territories. Any objections right now?


It still needs to be decided specifically how this interacts with fog. I think it would just be best to not allow the option with fog.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby chapcrap on Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:41 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I haven't really seen any negatives to this other than it taking a long time to choose territories. Any objections right now?


It still needs to be decided specifically how this interacts with fog. I think it would just be best to not allow the option with fog.

Yeah, that's probably the best. Or allow it anyway. In 1v1 games, the neutrals would get to pick some places as well, so you wouldn't necessarily know where the person was dropping. And, if you had enough time to check all that in an eight player game, then good on you.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby agentcom on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:12 pm

chapcrap wrote:I haven't really seen any negatives to this other than it taking a long time to choose territories. Any objections right now?


That's really been the main impediment. And it's a poor argument. Not allowing a game play option because not enough people would play it is fine. But not allowing an option because we don't think people can choose for themselves how to spend their time is not.

The only situation where that really comes into play is with new users who wouldn't know what they're doing when joining games and might get stuck in one and leave the site in boredom. This argument could be extended to all freemiums just because we don't want to risk that someone will accidentally choose this and eat up a quarter or more of their game slots.

Both problems have easy solutions that are already in place for other options: restrict the gameplay to no NRs or premium only.
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Re: choosing your own countries to start *Pending*

Postby JamesKer1 on Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:58 pm

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby Lord Arioch on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:28 pm

If time is the only negative .. go for it ...ive got it to spare:) and it would bring another strategic dimension to the game:)!
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby lykoz on Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:00 am

This could be an option for speed games with a 10 second timer....If you miss your select.... You get random assigned...

Im sorry but this would take too long to complete in 24 hr games... I cant wait 10-20 round just to to start a game... I mean it will take a several days, if not over a week for the game to start...


Another way of doing it, is for each player to create a list from 1-30 clicking on the territories he wants in the order he wants... The guy that clicked first on territory gets prefference... i.e. 1st pick beats someone elses 2nd pick... Any conflicts can be assigned randomly... I would imagine however this system to work efficiently would require some pretty serious coding...
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby JamesKer1 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:23 am

lykoz wrote:This could be an option for speed games with a 10 second timer....If you miss your select.... You get random assigned...

Im sorry but this would take too long to complete in 24 hr games... I cant wait 10-20 round just to to start a game... I mean it will take a several days, if not over a week for the game to start...


Another way of doing it, is for each player to create a list from 1-30 clicking on the territories he wants in the order he wants... The guy that clicked first on territory gets prefference... i.e. 1st pick beats someone elses 2nd pick... Any conflicts can be assigned randomly... I would imagine however this system to work efficiently would require some pretty serious coding...


That's been part of the issue with this suggestion, and why it hasn't been submitted.

Please note that having each player submit a preference list won't work either. Territory selection in the second and later rounds is often conditional on what was selected in previous rounds.


One option that would decrease these concerns would be to allow this option only for speed games. The main concern here (and when this idea is brought up in response to many of the suggestions here) is that many users say they would not like/play this option as it would prolong "speed" games. Another response is that speed game-only features benefit a relatively small number of the users on this site.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby lykoz on Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:43 pm

Thanks for the reply. Decent reasoning.
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