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Issue #14:





Welcome to the 14th issue of the Conquer Club Newsletter!

Well we are back to our original graphics this issue, hope you enjoyed the summer graphics while they were on

We have begun to use spoilers for each article, hopefully this makes it easier to browse each issue and just read what you wish to read

We also have a Guest Editorial from elfish_lad, who gives a new recuits perspective into the World of Conquer Club.

We've also got Tournament and Foundry News and Night Strike answers another question in "Ask a Mod".

We hope you enjoy this issue

samuelc812 - News Director

elfish_lad wrote:Hey. Nice job to you and others on the CC Newsletters. I've read them all in between turns over the last 10 days or so. Very informative for a new participant.

elfish_lad

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Title: “Ten Days In And Not Bleeding To Death... Yet”
By: elfish_lad

show: Guest Editorial

Stay Tuned for the next issue of the Conquer Club Newsletter for an interview with Robinette! Post the questions for Robinette's interview in this thread --> Interview with Robinette

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Conquer Club News Team

samuelc812 - News Director
gimil - Advisor
Night Strike - Tournament Reporter & Ask a Mod Editor
thenobodies80 - Foundry Reporter
the.killing.44 - Foundry Reporter
jpcloet - Clan Reporter
ubersky - Suggs and Bugs Reporter
InsomniaRed - Community Opinion Reporter
elfish_lad - Guest Editorial

well done, good read

That was enjoyable. Good job, especially to elf, nice article.

Loving the newsletter feedback section

great guest editorial!!! i like where the new recruit who wasn't around for flame wars and never saw the flame wars here, knows enough about flame wars to declare their omission a wonderful thing. wonder how he feels about the sneaky underhanded way it was done under the guise of a "joke" by an admin that was/is a figment of someone's imagination, and how he feels about some of the truly great threads that you can't even visit to see some of the great posts... yeah... let's solicit opinions from members about things they don't even know, as long as the further the CC kool-aid consumption... wow...-0

p.s.- a very nice pro CC article from a "member" with 1 completed game, and zero ongoing as of now... another made up CC Member?

owenshooter wrote:i like where the new recruit who wasn't around for flame wars and never saw the flame wars here, knows enough about flame wars to declare their omission a wonderful thing. wonder how he feels about the sneaky underhanded way it was done under the guise of a "joke" by an admin that was/is a figment of someone's imagination, and how he feels about some of the truly great threads that you can't even visit to see some of the great posts... yeah... let's solicit opinions from members about things they don't even know, as long as the further the CC kool-aid consumption... wow...-0

p.s.- a very nice pro CC article from a "member" with 1 completed game, and zero ongoing as of now... another made up CC Member?

rofl....

samuelc812 wrote:Title: “Ten Days In And Not Bleeding To Death... Yet”
By: elfish_lad

show: Guest Editorial

Hooray for elfish_lad's mighty 4 posts! It's like reading an article written by a student that's been asked to comment on the Roman invasion of Western Europe, you weren't there so just exactly how are you expected to KNOW what it was like? How can you articulate what it was like to have the Roman legions marching through your village/town on the edict of this 'Emperor' that you've never heard of before? Particularly from a perspective that is skewed by 2000 years of history that's undoubtedly also been coloured by political bias.

Simply put, you can't.

This is not a criticism of you Elf, it's a criticism of the newsletter editorial team for picking you to pass comment on something you can't reasonably be expected to give an informed opinion on.

In My Humble Opinion
This is an attempt to gloss over the dissatisfaction of the forum visiting public with the removal of forums deemed by the management to be 'unsafe' and 'likely to cause controversy/trouble(possibly of a legal persuasion)'.

I hope to be interviewed by archeology magazine this month. I will tell them how I know nothing about actual digs, but liked to dig in the sand on family vacations to the beach. I am sure my level of expertise will have the editor's chomping at the bit to get me involved.

Also if there is a tournament section in the CC news, why is there a separate tourney newsletter? Maybe they should all be combined, in order to actually make ONE newsletter rather than several.

Artimis wrote:Hooray for elfish_lad's mighty 4 posts!

oops, my bad, i looked up elf. regardless, i am sticking by my half-cocked comments, because they are still mostly correct/true, excluding the number of games played...-0

p.s.-brett, i am more well versed in the art of sandbox play, due to having a 5 year old. however, we tend to build dams and atom smashers in his box... guess i'll submit an article to popular mechanics...

jbrettlip wrote:Also if there is a tournament section in the CC news, why is there a separate tourney newsletter? Maybe they should all be combined, in order to actually make ONE newsletter rather than several.

There's also a Foundry section. They're both in the CC Newsletter so that people who only read this one can get information about the other areas of the site they don't visit. I'm going to keep it shorter than it has been in the past so that it doesn't look like a partial copy of the actual Tournament Newsletter.

Good work! I enjoyed the Guest Editorial.


--Andy

WidowMakers says goodbye
A bit of sad news in this issue, as we bid a tearful goodbye to the great mapmaker WidowMakers. He's been around since '06 and has pumped out 20 of the greatest maps that CC has seen in its 3-and-a-half-year history.

Hmm,im now 3 month retire from MapFoundry,and you dont put single word in Newsletter abouth that. Well its good to see how people care for mine work here,another good reason why im retire from map making.

qwert wrote:

WidowMakers says goodbye
A bit of sad news in this issue, as we bid a tearful goodbye to the great mapmaker WidowMakers. He's been around since '06 and has pumped out 20 of the greatest maps that CC has seen in its 3-and-a-half-year history.

Hmm,im now 3 month retire from MapFoundry,and you dont put single word in Newsletter abouth that. Well its good to see how people care for mine work here,another good reason why im retire from map making.

Issue #6:

the.killing.44 wrote:Departures/Vacations
If you didn't know, qwert, maker of your favorite WWII maps and Europe 1914, as well as the new Peloponnesian War map, is leaving the Foundry in exasperation of the long process. We all know he'll be missed, as it seems there's no persuading him to remain and keep pumping out great maps for CC.

mine mistake.

All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Furthermore, elfish_lad sent that article to me asking if i would put it in the newsletter, i did not go to him asking if he'd give a new recruits perspective.

Regards,
samuelc812

samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Furthermore, elfish_lad sent that article to me asking if i would put it in the newsletter, i did not go to him asking if he'd give a new recruits perspective.

Regards,
samuelc812

So by your logic:

Positive = Printing an uninformed article by someone who couldn't possibly know what Flame Wars was like because they joined well after it was removed.

Negative = Pointing out this glaring lack of actual experience for what it is.


The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?

In my humble opinion, that article was a plant with a specific purpose to achieve. As for why players don't use the forum more often, I have a list for you:

1> Don't know it's there.
2> Can't be bothered with it.
3> Don't find it interesting enough.

FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

Regards,
samuelc812

samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

Regards,
samuelc812

...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......

Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may or may not wish to read in the future (if they are published!).

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

Sincerely,

Elf

elfish_lad wrote:Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may wish to not read in the future.

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

Sincerely,

Elf

Yeah, just as a psychic has the right to sue her plastic surgeon after her breast implants nullify her psychic powers.....

I reiterate, it's NOT you I'm disappointed with for printing the section on Flame Wars(for the most part anyway). It's the complete lack of editorial nous that let it slip through which got my goat.

Artimis wrote:The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?

He was cleared of being a multi. I asked for a check before the issue printed.

samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Firstly, the bolded part is quite a gross generalization.

Secondly, what I'm understanding from this paragraph, is that negative feedback ("I don't like this. Here's why. Please do something better, such as...") is completely unwelcome, whereas positive feedback ("Yay! Good work. Keep it up. Nothing could be better.") is acceptable. If I have misunderstood somehow (and I hope that I have) please show me where, because otherwise it seems like you're saying that everything is being done absolutely perfectly, and that no opinion to the contrary is needed, or wanted, nor will they be paid any mind.

Again, I sincerely hope that that's not what you intended to say, but I honestly fear that it is, as that's the exact impression I have been getting from team CC over the past months.

To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.

Positive Feedback is always easier to handle than Negative Feedback, even if the Negative Feedback is intended to be informative and helpful. The Foundry has shown this over the years---literally hundreds and hundreds of examples.

However, some of the top maps to make it on Conquer Club had some of the best/worst debates and discussions going.

So whenever there is criticism, do take it into consideration. Even if it doesn't change anything, it will at least widen one's thoughts.


--Andy

GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:

samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

Regards,
samuelc812

...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......

Lovely post.

However, too many more clever posts like this and...

Well you know how it goes.

With regards to the the article in question, I thought it was fairly well-written and there is nothing terribly wrong with a 'new guys perspective'. However, I would suggest the writer delves a little deeper than CC News to get a real handle on this place. For example, I spent a good month reading through the back pages of GD before I even ventured to make more than a quick comment or two in that forum.

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