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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Artimis on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:47 pm

samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Furthermore, elfish_lad sent that article to me asking if i would put it in the newsletter, i did not go to him asking if he'd give a new recruits perspective.

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So by your logic:

Positive = Printing an uninformed article by someone who couldn't possibly know what Flame Wars was like because they joined well after it was removed.

Negative = Pointing out this glaring lack of actual experience for what it is.


The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?

In my humble opinion, that article was a plant with a specific purpose to achieve. As for why players don't use the forum more often, I have a list for you:
    1> Don't know it's there.
    2> Can't be bothered with it.
    3> Don't find it interesting enough.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:03 am

FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

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samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby elfish_lad on Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:22 am

Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may or may not wish to read in the future (if they are published!).

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Artimis on Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:55 am

elfish_lad wrote:Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may wish to not read in the future.

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

Sincerely,

Elf


Yeah, just as a psychic has the right to sue her plastic surgeon after her breast implants nullify her psychic powers..... :roll:

I reiterate, it's NOT you I'm disappointed with for printing the section on Flame Wars(for the most part anyway). It's the complete lack of editorial nous that let it slip through which got my goat.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Night Strike on Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:04 am

Artimis wrote:The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?


He was cleared of being a multi. I asked for a check before the issue printed.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Timminz on Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:30 am

samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.


Firstly, the bolded part is quite a gross generalization.

Secondly, what I'm understanding from this paragraph, is that negative feedback ("I don't like this. Here's why. Please do something better, such as...") is completely unwelcome, whereas positive feedback ("Yay! Good work. Keep it up. Nothing could be better.") is acceptable. If I have misunderstood somehow (and I hope that I have) please show me where, because otherwise it seems like you're saying that everything is being done absolutely perfectly, and that no opinion to the contrary is needed, or wanted, nor will they be paid any mind.

Again, I sincerely hope that that's not what you intended to say, but I honestly fear that it is, as that's the exact impression I have been getting from team CC over the past months.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby jpcloet on Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:38 am

To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:42 am

Positive Feedback is always easier to handle than Negative Feedback, even if the Negative Feedback is intended to be informative and helpful. The Foundry has shown this over the years---literally hundreds and hundreds of examples.

However, some of the top maps to make it on Conquer Club had some of the best/worst debates and discussions going.

So whenever there is criticism, do take it into consideration. Even if it doesn't change anything, it will at least widen one's thoughts.


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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:43 am

GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......


Lovely post.

However, too many more clever posts like this and...

Well you know how it goes.

With regards to the the article in question, I thought it was fairly well-written and there is nothing terribly wrong with a 'new guys perspective'. However, I would suggest the writer delves a little deeper than CC News to get a real handle on this place. For example, I spent a good month reading through the back pages of GD before I even ventured to make more than a quick comment or two in that forum.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Timminz on Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:27 pm

jpcloet wrote:To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but any thought of me contributing in any "official" way went right out the window when I saw the treatment a good friend of mine received from an admin, when he retired recently (not even so much as a sincere "thank you"). I guess I can understand how my saying that will just increase "the officials'" desire to discount anything I say, but there you go. And, just because I have no interest in "official" contribution, does not mean that I don't want to contribute, or that I don't care about the community. I do. Quite a bit. That is why I get pissed off at some of the things that have been happening recently. Because I see them as detracting from the enjoyable nature that the community once contained. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy my time here (I wouldn't still be here if I didn't), but the enjoyment levels of the community aspects of CC have been in a steady decline as of late.

It might be worth taking note that pretty much every single one of the users who are "always complaining", or "never offering to contribute" are longstanding, highly-active community members. We didn't just magically all change our attitudes suddenly.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Artimis on Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:29 pm

jpcloet wrote:To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.


As that thought crossed my mind, it was swiftly met from the other direction by the realisation that any article I could write would most likely not tow the official line and would therefore be summarily dismissed.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Fruitcake on Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:35 pm

jpcloet wrote:To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.


Well it does seem a tad coincedental that we have two new posters suddenly springing up in the forums. Both with the same kind of attitude. Now if I was a gambling man, which of course as you all know I am not (ahem), I might just feel the need to have a punt that they were plants or just figments of the imagination (such as it is) of the site admin/mod crew.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby clapper011 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:43 pm

Fruitcake wrote:
jpcloet wrote:To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.


Well it does seem a tad coincedental that we have two new posters suddenly springing up in the forums. Both with the same kind of attitude. Now if I was a gambling man, which of course as you all know I am not (ahem), I might just feel the need to have a punt that they were plants or just figments of the imagination (such as it is) of the site admin/mod crew.

darling..I am very real..not part of anyone's imagination!!! LOL
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:29 pm

I have no problem with negative feedback as long as it is constructive and provides a way to improve. Instead all you do is use sarcasm, and negativity to bring down the newsletter and the members of the community who are trying to contribute to it.

In the past few weeks i've tried to change a few things in the newsletter to make people happy. Changed up the interviews, i even had Mr Changsha taking over the interview section knowing full well he was not going to hold back, and i was fully intending at giving him a good go at it. Then he gets a 24hr ban, get's upset and quits.

With the loss of Fruitcake who also thought i was holding him back for some reason, we had nobody to write the kind of articles that he used to write. When elfish_lad came along and sent me not 1 but 3 articles, i was impressed. Here's someone who has just joined and they wanted to contribute.

The only way you guys are ever going to be completely satisfied with the newsletter, is if you contribute yourself. In no way have i ever edited someone's article except to correct spelling errors. So that excuse is just ridiculous.

Be satisfied or contribute yourself.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:58 pm

samuelc812 wrote:Be satisfied or contribute yourself.

or just make a better newsletter with help from constructive criticism... you missed that option...-0
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:08 am

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samuelc812 wrote:Be satisfied or contribute yourself.

or just make a better newsletter with help from constructive criticism... you missed that option...-0


The only constructive criticism in this thread has come from jbrettlip, and we are discussing the option of merging the newsletters. You on the other hand have not given any "constructive criticism", if you were to however, i'd be happy to listen. I'm happy to receive criticism as long as you mention how to improve the area receiving the criticism, instead of complaining and putting down someone who is trying to positively contribute to the newsletter.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby GENERAL STONEHAM on Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:51 am

samuelc812 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:Be satisfied or contribute yourself.

or just make a better newsletter with help from constructive criticism... you missed that option...-0


The only constructive criticism in this thread has come from jbrettlip, and we are discussing the option of merging the newsletters. You on the other hand have not given any "constructive criticism", if you were to however, i'd be happy to listen. I'm happy to receive criticism as long as you mention how to improve the area receiving the criticism, instead of complaining and putting down someone who is trying to positively contribute to the newsletter.

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Samuel, you're taking this personal. The criticism revolves around some noobie who CRITICIZED the Flame War Forum and those who enjoyed it.

What you perceived as personal attacks is what WE call constructive criticism. Sure it would be nice and only say good things about everything that has to do with C.C. and all the seperate outlets that is associated with it, but that's not reality or what goes on in the FREE WORLD. Certainly you don't want this place being run like North Korea, where dissent is considered traitorous.

How about this Samuel, start a thread challenging those who posted here and elsewhere to write a newsletter about Flame Wars past and how it helps and/or hurt C.C. You can have a "he said/she said" newsletter. I'm sure you would get a lot of responses from this proposal.

You do sound like you're open to having posters from all viewpoints write articles for C.C. and this would also involve those who feel somewhat betrayed by the present administrators of C.C.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:34 am

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samuelc812 wrote:
The only constructive criticism in this thread has come from jbrettlip, and we are discussing the option of merging the newsletters. You on the other hand have not given any "constructive criticism", if you were to however, i'd be happy to listen. I'm happy to receive criticism as long as you mention how to improve the area receiving the criticism, instead of complaining and putting down someone who is trying to positively contribute to the newsletter.

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Samuel, you're taking this personal. The criticism revolves around some noobie who CRITICIZED the Flame War Forum and those who enjoyed it.

What you perceived as personal attacks is what WE call constructive criticism. Sure it would be nice and only say good things about everything that has to do with C.C. and all the seperate outlets that is associated with it, but that's not reality or what goes on in the FREE WORLD. Certainly you don't want this place being run like North Korea, where dissent is considered traitorous.

How about this Samuel, start a thread challenging those who posted here and elsewhere to write a newsletter about Flame Wars past and how it helps and/or hurt C.C. You can have a "he said/she said" newsletter. I'm sure you would get a lot of responses from this proposal.

You do sound like you're open to having posters from all viewpoints write articles for C.C. and this would also involve those who feel somewhat betrayed by the present administrators of C.C.

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I'm not taking this personally at all, i know full well that you are criticizing elfish_lad's article. If you are so upset about it, why not write an article saying how great flame wars was and how it benefited the site. I'm open to controversial articles being in the newsletter, some people enjoy reading them.

I do not see any personal attacks, but i also don't see any constructive criticism, it's just criticism, nothing constructive about it. I also don't expect only good things to be said about the newsletter, there are some people who will never, ever be satisfied with what the newsletter offers. It is something the editor just has to deal with. However, if these people just complain and complain and don't contribute to a solution than it's really not the fault of the Newsletter, we aren't forcing you to read the newsletter, if you're unhappy with it and are unwilling to be a part of the solution, then don't read it.

Respond with an article of your own, correcting his view. He is entitled to his personal opinion, so are you.

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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby jbrettlip on Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:54 am

samuelc812 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:Be satisfied or contribute yourself.

or just make a better newsletter with help from constructive criticism... you missed that option...-0


The only constructive criticism in this thread has come from jbrettlip, and we are discussing the option of merging the newsletters. You on the other hand have not given any "constructive criticism", if you were to however, i'd be happy to listen. I'm happy to receive criticism as long as you mention how to improve the area receiving the criticism, instead of complaining and putting down someone who is trying to positively contribute to the newsletter.

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For some odd reason, I take offense at that statement. I really need to try harder! HAHHAHAH

You know what might be interesting, for a new users perspective, is to run followups of the user, joining a clan, first clan war, getting flamed in GD, making a sig too large, first unjustified ban etc. It could be their own reality newsletter show.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

Postby Windparson on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:59 am

Had to comment. Really enjoyed the new player article. I have been on CC now I think about 3 years, and it was interesting to see the parallels and differences that I saw in their viewpoint and my own from being in the same set of shoes! Great job.

I enjoy the newsletter, so keep up the good work.
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