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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby IcePack on Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:50 am

I'm back from holiday and much needed rest. F400 will be updated ASAP and I can do a customized date for CL5 whenever it's needed. (EX March 6th instead of 1st, or whenever organizer chooses).
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:01 am

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qwert wrote:Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"

I haven't heard anyone opposed to using F400 yet.

qwert wrote:mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition.

Using CL4 is like using one war or one performance to judge a clan. That's a bad idea, IMO. Secondly, a single good performance in 2011 won't be a large factor because the wars deteriorate in value as time goes on. And just a single war would not make a large difference if it is that old.


in f400 i read that benga say" f400 1 year are better because show current form of clans,and f400 2 year show overall rank"

So its will be best to see deference between f400 1 year and f400 2 year.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby chapcrap on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:14 am

qwert wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"

I haven't heard anyone opposed to using F400 yet.

qwert wrote:mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition.

Using CL4 is like using one war or one performance to judge a clan. That's a bad idea, IMO. Secondly, a single good performance in 2011 won't be a large factor because the wars deteriorate in value as time goes on. And just a single war would not make a large difference if it is that old.


in f400 i read that benga say" f400 1 year are better because show current form of clans,and f400 2 year show overall rank"

So its will be best to see deference between f400 1 year and f400 2 year.

I would rather see that than what comes from CL4.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby TheMissionary on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:27 pm

Of course F400 will be quite a bit different than CL4 results. F400 includes performances outside of CL4, as well as CL4. I think it's the best overall system when providing a seeding system. Clans will perform differently in any given situation, F400 categorizes all situations. 1 year or 2 years, either works for me. It just seems more of an equalizer than CL4 rankings alone.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby IcePack on Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:36 pm

As discussed when qwert contacted me, I'll produce a new 1 and 2 year F400 rankings for him on a date that works and is viable for his seeding needs.

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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:38 pm

good job, but can you give me a link to f400 1 year ranking?
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby IcePack on Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:41 am

qwert wrote:good job, but can you give me a link to f400 1 year ranking?


There isn't one, I did it once because someone asked for it for a comparison. I will do another custom 1 year for you when ur ready in a few weeks like we discussed.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:52 am

IcePack wrote:
qwert wrote:good job, but can you give me a link to f400 1 year ranking?


There isn't one, I did it once because someone asked for it for a comparison. I will do another custom 1 year for you when ur ready in a few weeks like we discussed.

ups, wrong translation from your previous post,i though that you all ready done that .
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:26 pm

soon more updates.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:58 am

Please if anyone have some question, post here not in Sign up topic.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:34 am

This thread keeps popping up at the top of my list (as I made an earlier post in it).

Does it have anything to do with the real Clan League #5 or is all just hypothetical stuff? I really don't want to have to read it!
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:17 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:This thread keeps popping up at the top of my list (as I made an earlier post in it).

Does it have anything to do with the real Clan League #5 or is all just hypothetical stuff? I really don't want to have to read it!


yes, only these its for disscusion,and other topic are only for sign up.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby ahunda on Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:11 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:This thread keeps popping up at the top of my list (as I made an earlier post in it).

Does it have anything to do with the real Clan League #5 or is all just hypothetical stuff? I really don't want to have to read it!

It appears, this has been adopted as the official Clan League #5.

Sign-ups are open here: viewtopic.php?f=438&t=184748

This thread here now being used for questions & discussions.

qwert, since you are giving very short time for sign-ups, maybe you should PM clan leaders about this ?
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:27 pm

ahunda wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:This thread keeps popping up at the top of my list (as I made an earlier post in it).

Does it have anything to do with the real Clan League #5 or is all just hypothetical stuff? I really don't want to have to read it!

It appears, this has been adopted as the official Clan League #5.

Sign-ups are open here: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=184748

This thread here now being used for questions & discussions.

qwert, since you are giving very short time for sign-ups, maybe you should PM clan leaders about this ?

well its not short time, but good suggestion i will do these right now.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby laughingcavalier on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:18 am

I was looking to see how big this is. I think this is right - it looks quite a lot:

Qualification round:
EAch week:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For approx 5-7 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps, depending how many teams in the qualifying division

Main league:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For 11 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps

Is my maths right?
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:44 am

I thought games were every fortnight???
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby jetsetwilly on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:50 am

laughingcavalier wrote:I was looking to see how big this is. I think this is right - it looks quite a lot:

Qualification round:
EAch week:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For approx 5-7 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps, depending how many teams in the qualifying division

Main league:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For 11 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps

Is my maths right?


It will depend on how big each division is but for qualification, it's 16 games every 2 weeks (8 home and 8 away).

Assuming there are 6 clans in your qualifying group that means 10 weeks at 16*5 games. 80 games over 10 weeks.

The load in the main league is not higher, it's just a longer period of time. (again depending on the size of the division)

8 games a week is the average which is certainly no worse than a large challenge.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:26 am

laughingcavalier wrote:I was looking to see how big this is. I think this is right - it looks quite a lot:

Qualification round:
EAch week:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For approx 5-7 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps, depending how many teams in the qualifying division

Main league:
2 dubs/3 trips/3quads home & away -50 spots total
For 11 consecutive weeks, no playing week gaps

Is my maths right?


every second week are playable(create home games-join away games), total 10 week for first phase and 22 week for second phase.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby laughingcavalier on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:19 am

Thanks all. I missed that alternate weeks off bit
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:17 am

ok, the vote abouth use of nukes are finish and here are decision.

>>nuclear-3 nukes per round allowed, but clans can negotiate more if they want for each round<<
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby IcePack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:42 am

qwert wrote:ok, the vote abouth use of nukes are finish and here are decision.

>>nuclear-3 nukes per round allowed, but clans can negotiate more if they want for each round<<


The sign up thread doesn't define a round. Is a round 8 games (home or away) or is a round 16 games (home and away)?
If its the 16 - then it will need to be tracked because you don't have clan a vs clan be 16 games on the same weeks.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Qwert on Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:26 am

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qwert wrote:ok, the vote abouth use of nukes are finish and here are decision.

>>nuclear-3 nukes per round allowed, but clans can negotiate more if they want for each round<<


The sign up thread doesn't define a round. Is a round 8 games (home or away) or is a round 16 games (home and away)?
If its the 16 - then it will need to be tracked because you don't have clan a vs clan be 16 games on the same weeks.


how do you mean,dont defines a round?

Weekly-one week consist of two round, where one clan play 8 home games against one clan,and 8 away games against other clan.


If you play at home , then just need to use logic that you can create 3 out of 8 games to be nuclear. If you play away, then you are not in position to decide what games will be nuclear, only can negotiate if you want more then 3.
I dont see where are problem here?
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby IcePack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:02 am

Ah ok nvm my mistake, was reading it at 3am
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby IcePack on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:41 pm

I like the symbol yhou have for CL5 qwert :) my only thought is maybe you should have 5 dice, to represent the 5th CL?
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - Question going here

Postby Vid_FISO on Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:02 pm

Apologies if this has been covered in the first 19 pages of the thread (I think I've read them all previously), a difference of opinion between myself and my co-clan leader. He believes that the 10 named "provisional list of players" are the only 10 that can be used whilst I believe it's there should deadlines be missed for the TOs to invite clan members to games.
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