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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 6:03 am

greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Well its depend , in mine country you have -Superleague-First League-Second League,etc-etc.

Lindax wrote:I would support an idea like this if we could get rid of the idea of "home maps and settings".

Get more of an equal footing for everybody and see which clan actually is the best all-round, instead of specializing at certain maps and settings.

Every clan play the same maps and settings and then find out which is really the best all-round clan, based on skill and team work instead of maps and settings....

For all I care all games could be escalating, chained, sunny on Classic. Same for every clan, every game, every player, every team. Then a clan league would really be a clan league.

Lx

I dont have intention to promote one map. Also in all sports competition, home team have right to decide where to play.
If you have in Premier League top 16 clans, then this mean that they know very good to play on almost all maps, but still they have right to decide what maps ,when to use,and against what opponents.
Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.
If you want to create something interesting,and chalenging for all clans,then this are not league where clan only can play on few maps,and all ready decided settings.
If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby greenoaks on Sun May 06, 2012 6:18 am

qwert wrote:
greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Well its depend , in mine country you have -Superleague-First League-Second League,etc-etc.

was Superleague created at the same time as First League and Second League ?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Leehar on Sun May 06, 2012 8:30 am

It's actually Premier League, Championship, and the Division 1, 2, 3, 4?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sun May 06, 2012 11:36 am

qwert wrote:Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.

If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.


Your analogy doesn't make much sense qwert. As I'm sure you know, the "map" in football is exactly the same in every stadium, city, etc. It's a field of grass of the same size wherever you go.

Anyway, although I think 1 and the same map would be the most fair, I would use more than one map, but exclude a bunch of them.

With a choice of any home map and settings it will always be the same few clans winning the competition.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 11:55 am

greenoaks, its question who go deep into history. In mine country First Footbal league are created 1923 year.
Present Leagues are followers of Yugoslav Leagues, and every team who play in FIrst Yugoslav League are continue to play in SUpreleague. Its dificulty to explane, because you have so many time of Country change,so system are change several times.

Leehar this is in English League,not all leagues in europe have Divisions, many have First Leagues,or Second leagues(names for other lvl of competition).
In greece you have SUperleague-Footbal LEague-Footbal League 2-
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 12:05 pm

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qwert wrote:Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.

If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.


Your analogy doesn't make much sense qwert. As I'm sure you know, the "map" in football is exactly the same in every stadium, city, etc. It's a field of grass of the same size wherever you go.

Anyway, although I think 1 and the same map would be the most fair, I would use more than one map, but exclude a bunch of them.

With a choice of any home map and settings it will always be the same few clans winning the competition.

Lx

Well this will not work, because many high ranked clans will not compete.
And this last,in many competition same teams win a championship,over and over again. Barcelona and Real win almost every year Championship,same like in England Manchester and Arsenal.
Still i think that here in CC you have much more competition, where you have 10 clans who can compete for title.
-its will be hard for some clan to be twice in row ,champion in premier league,when everybody can win or lost to each other. Ofcourse when you add 7 more clans ranked from 10-16 place, they also can make some suprisses in premier league.

This is present position of clans from Rank table(algoritm 400)(this could change till october, or if some clans dont accept invitation to play )

Premier League

KORT
PACK
TOFU
TSM
EMP
IA
AOC
AFOS
PIG
FOED
LHDD
BOTFM
DYN
LOW
ID
WAR
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First League

MYT
MD
HH
KOA
LEG
GR
TNC
TFFS
G1
OSA
VDLL
MM
AKA
GG
RA
TLW
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Second LEague

AOD
DB
SOH
DBC
MB
LOTZ
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In first year ,when we create Leagues, then every next years ,you know where each clan compete,and every new clan start from bottom(second league).
Still need alot new rules to build.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sun May 06, 2012 12:28 pm

@qwert

Setup like this is wrong, you would have Second League with 6 clans,
it's better to make 2 First Leagues and then winners and runners up move to Premier League.

@Lx

So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sun May 06, 2012 3:59 pm

benga wrote:@Lx

So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.


You don't seem to have a problem with it in my TLO Tournament.... ;)

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sun May 06, 2012 4:46 pm

Lindax wrote:
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So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.


You don't seem to have a problem with it in my TLO Tournament.... ;)

Lx


No I sure don't, but I always like to play vs anybodies best
and limiting anything would cripple some clans.

Limits should only go for unknown, not tested things (Like trench or some new maps),
so all clans get a chance to get to train them.

And CL should be all clans competition, not adjusted to organizers wishes.
If organizers would choose what maps to exclude that would be even more unfair.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Mon May 07, 2012 5:09 am

benga wrote:@qwert

Setup like this is wrong, you would have Second League with 6 clans,
it's better to make 2 First Leagues and then winners and runners up move to Premier League.
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I take teams from Algoritm ranking topic, i dont know how many clan will compete in second league. Second league can also have up to 16 clans.
You all ready have some clans who are not listed in Ranking(otpisani, NBK). Active clans number 47.
Second league are created so that all new clans can compete imediatly, and not to waith to be included in Ranking.

edit-small changes, i reduce premier and first league to 15 teams, so that second league get more teams.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby uckuki on Wed May 09, 2012 10:51 am

do a survey of top 10 clans, feel the vibe?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Wed May 09, 2012 1:39 pm

uckuki wrote:do a survey of top 10 clans, feel the vibe?

what??? talk to mine language,i know that you know to speak on mine language :mrgreen:
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby IcePack on Wed May 09, 2012 2:32 pm

qwert wrote:
uckuki wrote:do a survey of top 10 clans, feel the vibe?

what??? talk to mine language,i know that you know to speak on mine language :mrgreen:


He meant talk to the leader of all top 10 clans and get their opinions / feelings on the set up, and if they would e intereste in participating.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby uckuki on Wed May 09, 2012 2:41 pm

:)

napravi anketu medu top 10 klanovima, opipaj bilo (atmosferu)?
slabiji klanovi i mi obicni smrtnici cemo se prijavit iovako i onako, mi smo
sritni da mozemo igrat. dok je elita probirljiva, nekad oce nekad nece. kad znas
koliko ce top 10 klanova ucestvovat lakse ce ti bit slozit stvar.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Wed May 09, 2012 4:27 pm

you mean to send messages to all clan leaders to give hes oppinion ?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby uckuki on Wed May 09, 2012 5:11 pm

yes. posalji pm liderma klanova.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Thu May 10, 2012 4:00 am

uckuki wrote:yes. posalji pm liderma klanova.

now i understand this message very clear, ok,i will look all clans and send message to hear what they think ;)
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu May 10, 2012 4:07 am

I like it.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Ickyketseddie on Thu May 10, 2012 1:53 pm

I think it looks like a great idea. :D

Might be worth thinking about how to deal with clans that may disband part-way through the league, or how to squeeze in newly formed clans for subsequent years?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Thu May 10, 2012 4:50 pm

Ickyketseddie wrote:I think it looks like a great idea. :D

Might be worth thinking about how to deal with clans that may disband part-way through the league, or how to squeeze in newly formed clans for subsequent years?

disbanded clans will not play in league,simple.
New formed clan will start to play in second league.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Great-Ollie on Mon May 14, 2012 6:02 pm

actually looks like a great idea qwert! We think there is getting to be too many different leagues ect, but i think we would go for this one to replace the others if the other top clans would follow, really like the format.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Tue May 15, 2012 8:32 am

Great-Ollie wrote:actually looks like a great idea qwert! We think there is getting to be too many different leagues ect, but i think we would go for this one to replace the others if the other top clans would follow, really like the format.


Only first season will be classify using Algoritm ranking,and then you will get clear situation for every next year, and you will perfectly know where you play each year.
Only what its need its to build universal rules,who will cover all importan things,and all possible problems who can hepend,when you play in league.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue May 15, 2012 8:56 am

I'm pretty sure this is what jpcloet was planning to do with the "official" Clan League. It's a shame that there are multiple leagues now instead of one unified league.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Sniper08 on Wed May 16, 2012 2:33 pm

this is what a league system should look like. well done qwert from what i did understand of the OP :lol:

9 games per week seems a lot to me (18 total home and away) , many clans will have way too many games going at once as trips and quads would take atleast a month to finish.

i think 2 dubs 2 trips and 2 quads every 2 weeks would be managable to clans.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Wed May 16, 2012 4:47 pm

Sniper08 wrote:this is what a league system should look like. well done qwert from what i did understand of the OP :lol:

9 games per week seems a lot to me (18 total home and away) , many clans will have way too many games going at once as trips and quads would take atleast a month to finish.

i think 2 dubs 2 trips and 2 quads every 2 weeks would be managable to clans.


every rule its open for change, still dont have time to check and to send link to all clan leaders, to get more diferent oppinion.

what its OP?
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