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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby chapcrap on Fri May 18, 2012 6:03 pm

I do like the setup. I would agree with IcePack about lowering the number in each league to 10-13. This is to makes all leagues more even in numbers and shorten the season a little bit.

Here is the problem, can we just have one league? I don't care if it's ICL or this or something else, but let's have one clan league, and one Cup, and have it end at that.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby chapcrap on Fri May 18, 2012 6:31 pm

Also, if the majority would be in favor of qwert's setup, personally, I would not have a problem using it instead of the setup that the ICL is using. I like the ICL setup and the schedule took me a while to work on. I mean, it was 1184 sets to schedule... But if more people would enjoy qwert's year to year, we could make a quick switch to that setup. The scheduling for qwert's setup can be done in about 5 minutes.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby IcePack on Fri May 18, 2012 6:43 pm

I agree...there are so many leagues, I'd like to see what clans prefer. This one is easier to schedule / administer, and also easier to plan for as a clan which is entering.
One of the biggest concerns people have voiced about ICL is the schedule and so many little sets with no easy way to plan. This would alleviate a lot of those concerns.
What do the other clans think? I'd like to see a consolidation of all these leagues into something.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby jefjef on Sat May 19, 2012 2:30 am

Ok. I read OPs post and chaps and Ice's post above me.

What I do NOT like is:

"Clan's cannot use the same map more than one time in League."

What I DO like is:

Clans may use same map twice but different team size.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sat May 19, 2012 2:45 am

qwert is here proposing format for CL5

not another league
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sat May 19, 2012 2:53 am

Take the total number of official maps on CC (add a few betas that will go 'live' within 6 months), find a number that divides nicely into the total e.g 11, 12, 13, 14, then put that number of clans in the league. Each fortnight a clan creates its home games (if there are 144 maps and 12 clans, then this figure would be 12) and in the week in between it plays 12 away games. Every map on CC is to be used, and once only. This would really decide who is the best 'all round' clan on CC.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sat May 19, 2012 3:00 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Take the total number of official maps on CC (add a few betas that will go 'live' within 6 months), find a number that divides nicely into the total e.g 11, 12, 13, 14, then put that number of clans in the league. Each fortnight a clan creates its home games (if there are 144 maps and 12 clans, then this figure would be 12) and in the week in between it plays 12 away games. Every map on CC is to be used, and once only. This would really decide who is the best 'all round' clan on CC.


there are something like 220 maps
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby angola on Sat May 19, 2012 3:06 am

IcePack wrote:I agree...there are so many leagues, I'd like to see what clans prefer. This one is easier to schedule / administer, and also easier to plan for as a clan which is entering.
One of the biggest concerns people have voiced about ICL is the schedule and so many little sets with no easy way to plan. This would alleviate a lot of those concerns.
What do the other clans think? I'd like to see a consolidation of all these leagues into something.

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What leagues exactly are you talking about?

ICL and CLA4? Am I missing another one?

I like Chuuuuck's CC tournament's and would hope they would continue on as something separate.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby MichelSableheart on Sat May 19, 2012 4:27 am

I like the idea of a promotion/degradation league system, but I have some doubts whether it's maintainable. My main concern is the stability of the clan world. With a season lasting a year, I'm affraid we may see more changes then a promotion/degradation system can handle. Clans split, fall apart, new clans are formed, clans can pick up a set of strong players...

If I remember correctly, Tofu had to start in the bottom division as a new clan in CL2, but due to it's roster everyone knew that they would trounce that division. Similar problems may happen in this structure, where new but very good clans get paired against the weakest clans around. Also, what would happen if one of the top clans in the premier division disbanded?

In footbal, a promotional/degradational system works because you can be reasonably sure that teams won't vary in strength too much from season to season.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby freakns on Sat May 19, 2012 5:07 am

chapcrap wrote:I do like the setup. I would agree with IcePack about lowering the number in each league to 10-13. This is to makes all leagues more even in numbers and shorten the season a little bit.

Here is the problem, can we just have one league? I don't care if it's ICL or this or something else, but let's have one clan league, and one Cup, and have it end at that.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sat May 19, 2012 5:56 am

freakns wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I do like the setup. I would agree with IcePack about lowering the number in each league to 10-13. This is to makes all leagues more even in numbers and shorten the season a little bit.

Here is the problem, can we just have one league? I don't care if it's ICL or this or something else, but let's have one clan league, and one Cup, and have it end at that.

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So why did you start ICL?

Also I really haven't seen anywhere that your or any other clan must participate in every event?

Again I am repeating, qwert's suggestion here is about improving CL!!!
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby freakns on Sat May 19, 2012 6:28 am

benga wrote:
freakns wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I do like the setup. I would agree with IcePack about lowering the number in each league to 10-13. This is to makes all leagues more even in numbers and shorten the season a little bit.

Here is the problem, can we just have one league? I don't care if it's ICL or this or something else, but let's have one clan league, and one Cup, and have it end at that.

this x10000000000000000000000000000000


So why did you start ICL?

Also I really haven't seen anywhere that your or any other clan must participate in every event?

Again I am repeating, qwert's suggestion here is about improving CL!!!

why did i start what?! can i have your dealer number pls?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sat May 19, 2012 3:56 pm

benga wrote:qwert is here proposing format for CL5

not another league

I dont have nothing against ,if this become new official competition. I start from belove,and build something much more close to League competition.

by MichelSableheart » Sat May 19, 2012 11:27 am

I like the idea of a promotion/degradation league system, but I have some doubts whether it's maintainable. My main concern is the stability of the clan world. With a season lasting a year, I'm affraid we may see more changes then a promotion/degradation system can handle. Clans split, fall apart, new clans are formed, clans can pick up a set of strong players...

If I remember correctly, Tofu had to start in the bottom division as a new clan in CL2, but due to it's roster everyone knew that they would trounce that division. Similar problems may happen in this structure, where new but very good clans get paired against the weakest clans around. Also, what would happen if one of the top clans in the premier division disbanded?

In footbal, a promotional/degradational system works because you can be reasonably sure that teams won't vary in strength too much from season to season.
I like the idea of a promotion/degradation league system, but I have some doubts whether it's maintainable. My main concern is the stability of the clan world. With a season lasting a year, I'm affraid we may see more changes then a promotion/degradation system can handle. Clans split, fall apart, new clans are formed, clans can pick up a set of strong players...

If I remember correctly, Tofu had to start in the bottom division as a new clan in CL2, but due to it's roster everyone knew that they would trounce that division. Similar problems may happen in this structure, where new but very good clans get paired against the weakest clans around. Also, what would happen if one of the top clans in the premier division disbanded?

In footbal, a promotional/degradational system works because you can be reasonably sure that teams won't vary in strength too much from season to season.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sat May 19, 2012 4:03 pm

jefjef wrote:Ok. I read OPs post and chaps and Ice's post above me.

What I do NOT like is:

"Clan's cannot use the same map more than one time in League."

What I DO like is:

Clans may use same map twice but different team size.


like i say, everything are open for discussion, and this are also open for discusion. Personaly ,consider that we have 220 maps, i realy dont see any problem with this rule because you need to prepare 78 diferent maps for your home games.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby karel on Sat May 19, 2012 10:15 pm

i do like qwerts idea,nice job man
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