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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:04 am

josko.ri wrote:
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qwert wrote:yes,im all ready talk(before start of Cl5) with icepack,,and result will be incuded together(home and away) for F400.


This. qwert is tracking when both are completed and date for final game completion.
So 8 game results will not be included.

This principle has logical error. Look example:

in rounds 1 and 2 there are playing lets say this clans:

AvsB finished
CvsA finished, but unable to include as DvsC is unfinished
DvsC unfinished

So, if matches of clan A are finished and match DvsC is not finished, will it be included or not?
From one side, clan A finished all their matches so their 8 matches including CvsA should be included according to this logic, and from other side clan C did not finish their 8 matches, so match CvsA should not be included.


Ok I re read this and now understand the point you were trying to make. Unfortunately your understanding of how CL5 results are included to F400 is incorrect.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby josko.ri on Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:06 am

ok, my apologize, I misunderstood at first, now I see point.

My understanding was that Round 1 and Round 2 will count when all (home and away) games are finished. But it seems like your point was counting Round 1 together with Round 6, so all is clear.

Actually very good idea, reduces by a lot amount of job which need to be done in order to track all the results.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby benga on Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:20 am

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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:16 pm

Are there many wars that will get decided between now and the 1st?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby xman5151 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:21 pm

I'm sure you're looking through the completed challenges already... but Final 3/19 GR 27 LEG 18
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby Gilligan on Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:36 pm

Our war with TFFS may or may not be (probably not...) we've already clinched enough games, but this one is still active for final scoring.

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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 pm

I'm still concerned that the OP (Completed Wars spoiler) only lists results up to 29th Jan 2013 and there's no way of checking what was included in the 15th March update. The update and the list of wars computed in that update really need to be posted at the same time (or at least have it brought up-to-date before the next update is done). Cheers.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:19 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:I'm still concerned that the OP (Completed Wars spoiler) only lists results up to 29th Jan 2013 and there's no way of checking what was included in the 15th March update. The update and the list of wars computed in that update really need to be posted at the same time (or at least have it brought up-to-date before the next update is done). Cheers.


Yeah, i had answered this previously. it was an oversight on my part, before i updated each i posted the wars included but forgot to update the main original page. Each update has individual posts showing what was included right before it was updated.

However, as i said i will be sure to update the OP before the April 1st update with all the updates. I will make a seperate post for games that were included in this new April 1st update.

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Edit: Here just for viewing, is all the wars from New years to the last update.
show: New Year to 3 15 2013
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:53 pm

So far I see this:
BotFM looks to be officially gone, so de-activate them.
Also, Random Heroes de-activated.

DB UM8 29 20 03/18/13
MM FOED 29 20 03/18/13
TOFU MB 10 2 03/18/13
GR LEG 27 18 03/19/13
TNC FALL 24 17 03/19/13
TLW UM8 28 27 03/19/13
1RFG TNC 30 20 03/21/13
FALL SOH 10 2 03/28/13
PIG RA 15 15 03/29/13
FOED MD 16 14 03/30/13
RET DYN 24 17 03/30/13
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:00 am

Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby silversun6 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:05 am

IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.


you should start a new conquerclub.com also. :)
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby josko.ri on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:05 am

IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:22 am

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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:25 am

josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:34 am

Our one result (TOFU) since 15th March was a 10-2 win over MB, yet we lose 7pts. KORT post no result and lose 3pts.

Shurely shome mishtake?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:42 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Our one result (TOFU) since 15th March was a 10-2 win over MB, yet we lose 7pts. KORT post no result and lose 3pts.

Shurely shome mishtake?


KORT was affected as you pointed out, 3 pts. This was due to the 2 year window / decay.
TOFU was affected 7 pts. Your result vs MB hurts you actually, they are dead last and over 700 points lower than TOFU. 10-2 cost TOFU points, not gained due to the drastic point difference between the clans involved.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:48 am

and here was I thinking this system was infallible, but if a 10-2 victory actually costs points.....well, that's a little bit nuts (an 83.3% win rate).
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:54 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:and here was I thinking this system was infallible, but if a 10-2 victory actually costs points.....well, that's a little bit nuts (an 83.3% win rate).


You're talking a gigantic difference in clan points. I would recommend if clan rank is your top priority, not enter into a random competition with many extremely low ranked clans when you are the #2 clan. It will end up costing you points in the end.

The algo takes a expected win rate into account for points, so for your two clans meeting it expected a better showing from TOFU for MB being ranked soo drastically lower than you. They literally are dead last. It didn't cost you many points, but it did.

Not the best comparison, but to compare to a more common occurrence. If you care about rank as a general, dont play 12 games with a cook and lose 2. Even though you won the set, you'll probably end up losing points.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:14 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:and here was I thinking this system was infallible, but if a 10-2 victory actually costs points.....well, that's a little bit nuts (an 83.3% win rate).


To consider it in another way, in a 41 game war that's 34-7.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby hyposquasher on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:09 am

IcePack wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.


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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 04-01-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:31 am

Your announcement coincided with my update, it all went pretty seemless
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby Jippd on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:42 pm

hyposquasher wrote:
IcePack wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.


Wow, you didn't waste any time. You should be commended for your vigilance!!



I think he just secretly wanted the fallen to move up two more spots ;)
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby IcePack on Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:00 pm

Jippd wrote:
hyposquasher wrote:
IcePack wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.


Wow, you didn't waste any time. You should be commended for your vigilance!!


I think he just secretly wanted the fallen to move up two more spots ;)


I wasn't going to until I was assured it was not an April fools joke. I wasn't about to waste my time updating the database and doing a F400 update if it wasn't. If it is a joke...I'll be pretty disappointed In the lack of respect for the time I wasted updating everything to reflect the change.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby Crazyirishman on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:51 pm

IcePack wrote:
Jippd wrote:
hyposquasher wrote:
IcePack wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.


Wow, you didn't waste any time. You should be commended for your vigilance!!


I think he just secretly wanted the fallen to move up two more spots ;)


I wasn't going to until I was assured it was not an April fools joke. I wasn't about to waste my time updating the database and doing a F400 update if it wasn't. If it is a joke...I'll be pretty disappointed In the lack of respect for the time I wasted updating everything to reflect the change.


I would have removed them on purpose to show them how April fools is supposed to be.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Updated 03-15-13]

Postby deantursx on Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:07 pm

IcePack wrote:
Jippd wrote:
hyposquasher wrote:
IcePack wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
IcePack wrote:Since AOC and EMPIRE have announced they are forming a new clan, I'll be deactivating them on this update as well.

So how will you include results from their ongoing matches then?


They must complete all ongoing matches. Those results will be included as usual, and it will reflect on their opponents scores just as any other past war will.


Wow, you didn't waste any time. You should be commended for your vigilance!!


I think he just secretly wanted the fallen to move up two more spots ;)


I wasn't going to until I was assured it was not an April fools joke. I wasn't about to waste my time updating the database and doing a F400 update if it wasn't. If it is a joke...I'll be pretty disappointed In the lack of respect for the time I wasted updating everything to reflect the change.


Based on the comments people in the clans are making in the thread...it doesn't look like its real. They should have just brought you in on it....thats not cool to make you do extra work.
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