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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Gunn217 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:10 pm

IcePack wrote:Point taken. But I doubt I'll burn out, I enjoy it and even of people only wanted it monthly I'd probably still do it weekly for my own enjoyment. I just wouldn't go thru the trouble of posting it :) Ultimately I am doing it for my enjoyment, posting it ere for others is a secondary benefit. I'll love feedback and corrections, but complainers will always be there. I understand that.

I get a lot (most) of my enjoyment from clan and tournaments, and clans really spark my interest. If I could do more within the clan area I probably would.

Anyway...:) don't worry about my burn out.

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It's really not much of a burden. I only did it so that it wouldn't die and didn't like the fact that I couldn't answer questions about it since I didn't understand how it worked. Since Ice enjoys this kind of thing and he obviously knows WAY more about it than I ever did I'm sure he can keep it going longterm.

People will bitch no matter what. He can handle it.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chapcrap on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:11 pm

I've always felt like monthly was a lot. Can we just do it quarterly?
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:23 pm

chapcrap wrote:I've always felt like monthly was a lot. Can we just do it quarterly?

....quarterly as in every 15 minutes
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:38 pm

Gunn217 - even though I'm interested you were key in keeping this going. Even though I know the algo a bit better perhaps I would have never been able to take this over without your help the past few weeks to understand FD's system.

I'll try updating the 1st and 15th each month and go from there. Cheme I also will try doing something as well that might appease you a bit better ;)

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:22 am

FYI my first update will be 08-01-12 to allow for time to comb thru the results and try to get best information I possibly can within it the first time. After which, I'll try seeing how the 1st and 15th work out.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chapcrap on Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:37 am

IcePack wrote:FYI my first update will be 08-01-12 to allow for time to comb thru the results and try to get best information I possibly can within it the first time. After which, I'll try seeing how the 1st and 15th work out.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:06 am

chapcrap wrote:
IcePack wrote:FYI my first update will be 08-01-12 to allow for time to comb thru the results and try to get best information I possibly can within it the first time. After which, I'll try seeing how the 1st and 15th work out.

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Already breaking promises. Just like my last girlfriend. :(


I never had problem getting her to keep her promise ;)
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby betiko on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:29 am

thanks a lot for what you're doing icepack!

regarding our conversation: if we met lotz or MB and won by a small margin well yes, i think it deserves a point dropping.
But then new clans that come out have not to be considered as such; for example fallen, OTP or LHDD.
If a clan is really trying to stabilize up in the ranking, he would not accept a challenge against a clan full of hot shots just because they are new and even beating them would make the clan regress in the ranking. In case of CL4, anything can happen in a 12 game skirmish, and even a kort vs lotz can end up 7-5.

We've beaten RA for the CC3 with a very comfortable margin, I wonder if it will make us win poins or not..
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:42 am

Ultimately those clans start and are considered "mid ranked" at start.
I can't step in and start one clan at 1100 and another at 900, because then its all judgement calls instead of facts and results.
In the end the "new clan" wars will always be a little fickle at first but they should increase / decrease eventually to where they ultimately belong.

Your winning wasn't the problem, you just didn't win by a large enough margin.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Leehar on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:45 am

betiko wrote:thanks a lot for what you're doing icepack!

regarding our conversation: if we met lotz or MB and won by a small margin well yes, i think it deserves a point dropping.
But then new clans that come out have not to be considered as such; for example fallen, OTP or LHDD.
If a clan is really trying to stabilize up in the ranking, he would not accept a challenge against a clan full of hot shots just because they are new and even beating them would make the clan regress in the ranking. In case of CL4, anything can happen in a 12 game skirmish, and even a kort vs lotz can end up 7-5.

We've beaten RA for the CC3 with a very comfortable margin, I wonder if it will make us win poins or not..

kort v lotz was 12-0 ;)
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby General Brock II on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:04 am

Do any CL4 results count? Regiment topped the standing in Division 4.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:06 am

General Brock II wrote:Do any CL4 results count? Regiment topped the standing in Division 4.


Yes.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chapcrap on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:10 am

IcePack wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
IcePack wrote:FYI my first update will be 08-01-12 to allow for time to comb thru the results and try to get best information I possibly can within it the first time. After which, I'll try seeing how the 1st and 15th work out.

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I never had problem getting her to keep her promise ;)

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Crazyirishman on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:42 am

If CL4 results count, what does a tie do?
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:47 am

Crazyirishman wrote:If CL4 results count, what does a tie do?


It's entered as a tie. Just like anything else if two clans are tied they wouldn't exchange points. If a low rank clan ties a high rank there would be points exhannged, but again the exchanges are minimal.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby freakns on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:12 pm

chemefreak wrote:Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked?

yes, we have big dicks...

other that that, we had 3 clan wars so far, 2 of those we won by huge margin. i guess our "real strength" will be shown against TOFU( and CoF is already feeling it... deeply), but considering we won all our clan wars, we are already in CL trophy finals, and we made it to third faze of CL(in group 3 though, but thats mostly because we were in group with one team less and had two... unsettling losses, 7-5 both of those), you cant say we are ranked outrageously high... im sure we will become regular top10 clan, and im not the only one saying this. many CC regulars have seen us as future top10
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby pmchugh on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:17 pm

freakns wrote: im sure we will become regular top10 clan, and im not the only one saying this. many CC regulars have seen us as future top10


I was going to say this myself, I do not think OTP are ranked too far away from where they actually are in terms of strength. I think they might have 42 points too many tho ;)
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:14 pm

freakns wrote:
chemefreak wrote:Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked?

yes, we have big dicks...

other that that, we had 3 clan wars so far, 2 of those we won by huge margin. i guess our "real strength" will be shown against TOFU( and CoF is already feeling it... deeply), but considering we won all our clan wars, we are already in CL trophy finals, and we made it to third faze of CL(in group 3 though, but thats mostly because we were in group with one team less and had two... unsettling losses, 7-5 both of those), you cant say we are ranked outrageously high... im sure we will become regular top10 clan, and im not the only one saying this. many CC regulars have seen us as future top10


I never said this. Otpisani may be a Top 10 clan. All I am saying is that based on who the victories have been over, the algorithm should not be placing your clan so high. I'm looking solely at the mathematics of the situation, not opinions. If the formula and data are working correctly, and this is the accurate result, I am completely fine with it.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:44 pm

viewtopic.php?f=442&t=168084&start=0
viewtopic.php?f=442&t=161516&start=0

Anyone want to check with me, are these two included in the rankings already?
I'm looking a few times while double checking some of these scores and dates but its a lot of info to search.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby josko.ri on Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:31 am

Thanks Ice fopr running this, an thanks Gunn for running this is pas months. If you have extra time and enthusiasm, you may add graphs of history rankings for top 8 clans, that is one thing I very liked when FD made rankings.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby niMic on Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:20 am

Any graphical representation of information would be a great addition. Always good fun.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:45 am

I like pie charts....

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Anyway Ice....great you are so enthusiastic about doing it. Stats are fun when you're into them. Updates as frequently as you're able is the best scenario. No pressure on you to meet a deadline, but easy enough for you to do an update when you are in the mood. I know when I do my accounts the job becomes a lot harder the longer I put it off (and of course the info just keeps mounting up).
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:52 am

1) Graphs I'm pretty sure I can do
2) I'll update 1st and 15th, see how that goes and adjust from there to more / less frequent
3) I'm checking all info up to this point to ensure accuracy. I won't do my first update until 8-1 as CL4 info will really eat up a lot of time...

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12:11:16 ‹Swifte› good thing we have the beta program to weed all these problems out
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12:15:35 ‹Swifte› well that's just bad timing
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby lynch5762 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:05 am

IcePack wrote:1) Graphs I'm pretty sure I can do
2) I'll update 1st and 15th, see how that goes and adjust from there to more / less frequent
3) I'm checking all info up to this point to ensure accuracy. I won't do my first update until 8-1 as CL4 info will really eat up a lot of time...

IcePack


No pressure... great job Ice, and Gunn, and FD and whomever else I missed because I know that a lot of people have helped in collecting data for this.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby deantursx on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:41 am

hey so I was doing my DTX rankings (using your data), and I noticed that Igni Ferroque is listed as both IGNI and IF...just thought I'd give you a heads up.
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