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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:18 pm

MudPuppy wrote:
Genoke wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Leehar wrote:
Genoke wrote:If a clan has N/A behind its name, under category "best showing in 1 year", does that mean the clan couldn't win a clan war during the whole that have passed?

It just means in the last year they haven't played enough wars to get a ranking because the weighting is too low.

No that means that they have not beat anybody in the last year in a war.

Bruceswar is correct. N/A means no win in last 12 months

ok, thanks for explanation guys... to bad there are so many N/A's... :?
8/42, almost 20% didn't win a clan war in the passed 1 year :shock: ...

That doesn't look right. What about Risk Attackers, for instance? They haven't won a full war but have won a bunch of mini wars and seem to have enough activity (123-138 overall) to warrant some kind of 'showing' for their efforts? Does the #27 clan get no credit for their 15-15 tie against the #13 clan for "Best Showing in 1 Year" purposes?

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PIG RA 15 15 03/29/13
FALL RA 12 4 05/08/13
RA AOK 10 6 05/18/13
LOW RA 10 6 05/31/13
RA VDLL 13 3 06/01/13


I believe best showing doesn't take into consideration mini wars, ACC, etc. below 41 game "regular" wars. (while it does for the score, not for the "best in 12 month" column)
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby MudPuppy on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:58 pm

IcePack wrote:I believe best showing doesn't take into consideration mini wars, ACC, etc. below 41 game "regular" wars. (while it does for the score, not for the "best in 12 month" column)

Gotcha... Thanks, Ice. Should it? Can it? Not trying to make more work for you if it's a pain... just posing the question.
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:14 pm

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IcePack wrote:I believe best showing doesn't take into consideration mini wars, ACC, etc. below 41 game "regular" wars. (while it does for the score, not for the "best in 12 month" column)

Gotcha... Thanks, Ice. Should it? Can it? Not trying to make more work for you if it's a pain... just posing the question.


Well, I think its trying to show best showing of something of substance. Not saying CL5 or mini matches dont matter (obviously they do, they're included in the scores) but i would say going 7-5 in Random League vs TOFU shouldn't be posted over, say, a regular war that you won in something else. Just because the smaller sets are a little easier to see "weird" anomalies data wise, and not as representative as a full 41 min war.

Can it? Yes...manually. Should it? I prefer not to, not just because of the additional work involved, but mainly for what I mentioned earlier. It helps give a representative sample of who they are fighting and best win to date is over the past year. While some clans might be active in leagues etc like RA, them not winning a complete war DOES tell viewers something about the activity level / chosen style of play.

And the 15-15 tie that you mentioned wouldn't be included even if i did...its a tie, not a win.

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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby Swifte on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:22 pm

I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby MudPuppy on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:54 pm

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IcePack wrote:I believe best showing doesn't take into consideration mini wars, ACC, etc. below 41 game "regular" wars. (while it does for the score, not for the "best in 12 month" column)

Gotcha... Thanks, Ice. Should it? Can it? Not trying to make more work for you if it's a pain... just posing the question.

Well, I think its trying to show best showing of something of substance. Not saying CL5 or mini matches dont matter (obviously they do, they're included in the scores) but i would say going 7-5 in Random League vs TOFU shouldn't be posted over, say, a regular war that you won in something else. Just because the smaller sets are a little easier to see "weird" anomalies data wise, and not as representative as a full 41 min war.

Can it? Yes...manually. Should it? I prefer not to, not just because of the additional work involved, but mainly for what I mentioned earlier. It helps give a representative sample of who they are fighting and best win to date is over the past year. While some clans might be active in leagues etc like RA, them not winning a complete war DOES tell viewers something about the activity level / chosen style of play.

And the 15-15 tie that you mentioned wouldn't be included even if i did...its a tie, not a win.

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Cool, thanks for the quick answers. Is there a working link to the algorithm's script anywhere? The link listed in Farang's old thread is defunct. I wan't able to find a working link based on a some quick searches and was curious what went into the script as I don't fully understand how it's all calculated.
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:13 pm

No problem.

I do not have a link to script posted anywhere. I'm not sure if FD ever updated his post, so I can't answer that accurately.

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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:19 pm

Swifte wrote:I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.


I don't plan to change this portion anytime soon, so no worries.
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby Genoke on Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:21 pm

IcePack wrote:
Swifte wrote:I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.


I don't plan to change this portion anytime soon, so no worries.

I agree, like you mentioned before:
IcePack wrote:I believe best showing doesn't take into consideration mini wars, ACC, etc. below 41 game "regular" wars. (while it does for the score, not for the "best in 12 month" column)
Well, I think its trying to show best showing of something of substance. Not saying CL5 or mini matches dont matter (obviously they do, they're included in the scores) but i would say going 7-5 in Random League vs TOFU shouldn't be posted over, say, a regular war that you won in something else. Just because the smaller sets are a little easier to see "weird" anomalies data wise, and not as representative as a full 41 min war.

You have to hand a standard after all...
Looks like we need to win a war at least once every year, otherwise...we get an N/A (which i wouldn't like) :mrgreen:
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby The_Samurai on Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:23 pm

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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby hotfire on Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:17 pm

Swifte wrote:I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.

im in favor of keeping resultsof less than 41 games off the ranking all together...or atleast being able to access that ranking system
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:46 pm

hotfire wrote:
Swifte wrote:I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.

im in favor of keeping resultsof less than 41 games off the ranking all together...or atleast being able to access that ranking system



I do not think many would agree with you here.
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:38 pm

hotfire wrote:
Swifte wrote:I'm in favor of keeping results of less than 41 games off the 'top performance' column.

im in favor of keeping resultsof less than 41 games off the ranking all together...or atleast being able to access that ranking system


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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:50 am

benga wrote:WAR-RET 7-5 2013-06-04 included

RET-DYN 7-5 2013-06-09 incl

SOH-WAR 2-10 2013-06-13 incl

TFFS-TOFU 6-6 2013-06-04 incl

FOED-TNC 8-4 2013-06-10 incl

DYN-SOH 2-10 2013-06-08 incl

G1-PIG 5-7 2013-06-05 corrected f400

ID-OSA 5-7 2013-06-29 late add

LOW-MD 7-5 2013-06-11 incl

MB-FALL 2-11 2013-06-09 correct score 3-9 incl

TNC-HH 9-3 2013-06-10 incl

TOFU-FOED 8-4 2013-06-15 incl

WAR-TFFS 7-5 2013-06-15 late add

MD-MB 11-1 2013-06-17 late add

OSA-LOW 3-9 2013-06-22 late add

PIG-ID 5-7 2013-06-23 late add

TFFS-DYN 7-5 2013-06-27 late add

FOED-WAR 7-5 2013-06-29 late add

HH-TOFU 5-7 2013-06-30 late add

TNC-FALL 6-6 2013-06-30 late add

LOW-PIG 6-6 2013-07-01 add

WAR-HH 7-5 2013-07-05 add

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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 pm

DYN-FOED 4-8 2013-07-09
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Re: F400 Ranking [July 1 Update]

Postby Janomike on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:02 am

Well here is RAs first full war victory then:

RA-DB 29-12 2013-07-10

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