Account Sitting

[tbayjosh]

I am interested to see what the new rules are here !!!

I am a player that takes the game seriously. I don't like the idea of of my clan losing a war because I had some kind of computer problem or I was sick and no one could sit my turns for an odd day that something happened ( not good )
I am in every war that we have, some more than others and I have taken 99% of my turns I am on all the time and do not miss turns by choice. I do not think it is unreasonable to say that if I was sick or went MIA for a day because something happened that someone could jump in and take my turn !!
there should be no problem with that.
Now if a person is gone for a long time and someone needs to sit for him. Than that person should not be even playing !!!

I can see the problem from both sides of the fence but it will be hard to make any kind of good comment here until I see the new rules.

[Keefie]

I personally would like to see a limit to the number of turns that can be covered by a sitter. Say 2 for every 10 games in a war, so in 51 game war 10 turns could be covered by a sitter by each clan. A sitter should also be another player in the same game, no additional help from other clan members not involved in that game.

[IcePack]

I personally would like to see a limit to the number of turns that can be covered by a sitter. Say 2 for every 10 games in a war, so in 51 game war 10 turns could be covered by a sitter by each clan. A sitter should also be another player in the same game, no additional help from other clan members not involved in that game.

You can't force someone to use another player as a sitter. If they chose Bob as a sitter, just because Bob's not in the game doesn't mean you can force him to start trusting Joe with his password. It would force more and more people needing a password.

[Vid_FISO]

I don't think that you can make a hard and fast rule like that, something happens in player A's life so player B is the nominated sitter and something happens in his life could mean for the sake of a not having others sitting for one or both of them a long wait is forced upon the rest of the players and an all but won game lost.

Prolonged absences have to be on a case by case basis.

The larger problem that has to be addressed has to be the widespread sharing of log in details within some groups of players and those that jump in to play moves simply because they can. Add to that those that never intended to play their own moves throughout in the first place.

[JustCallMeStupid]

This is so stupid. I guess I would have to know what abuse is, I have maybe 3 or 4 times been able to take a turn within the first 18 hours but I wasnt sure on the move, but then I had to leave with only 6 hours remaining so I will text a clanmate what I was planning and to take the turn since I wont be back in 6 hours (maybe this is abuse to a select few anal retentives). I have hardly seen any abuse of clan sitting ever and I think it is ridiculous to impose a rule because 1% of games or less have a serious violation. I expect to cover turns how I always have, if a game has 2.5 hrs left and Im getting ready for bed I will cover it, if a clanmate says he is gone 3 days I will cover it. I will state in chat I am covering like I do for 80% of covers but if I forget on a rare occasion, it happens. And if i get banned then fine Im done with this site cause I deal with enough stupid laws in real life I dont need stupid laws on some game website.

If someone really is covering a majority of all clan members games as someone else mentioned, then punish that person and that clan. Dont make all of us suffer through some BS 1 hr rule and you have to state when, why and how long you are covering a turn because of some douche on the site is abusing the generic covering rules.

[Lindax]

This is so stupid. I guess I would have to know what abuse is, I have maybe 3 or 4 times been able to take a turn within the first 18 hours but I wasnt sure on the move, but then I had to leave with only 6 hours remaining so I will text a clanmate what I was planning and to take the turn since I wont be back in 6 hours (maybe this is abuse to a select few anal retentives).

I must be one of the anal retentives, because I'm 100% sure that that is breaking the rules, i.e., abuse.

Apart from it being against the rules I find it morally wrong and cheating.

Lx

[betiko]

This is so stupid. I guess I would have to know what abuse is, I have maybe 3 or 4 times been able to take a turn within the first 18 hours but I wasnt sure on the move, but then I had to leave with only 6 hours remaining so I will text a clanmate what I was planning and to take the turn since I wont be back in 6 hours (maybe this is abuse to a select few anal retentives).

I must be one of the anal retentives, because I'm 100% sure that that is breaking the rules, i.e., abuse.

Apart from it being against the rules I find it morally wrong and cheating.

Lx

it's a TEAM GAME. clan game's interest is the ability to coordinate between all players involved an plan with drops attacks and forts agreeing with one another. it's not about playing your first thought that your teammates might not agree on with 23 hours left (well at least not if you aspire to do your best). I do think that it's not normal if it happens on a regular basis, but if it happens once in a while because of unplanned reasons, you are not going to let the turn be missed. How is having your teammate's back in case of unplanned absence cheating? You are not even in a clan, so how are problems between clans of your concern? you play a vast majority of standard games. Someone sitting a turn for another player in a standard game would be cheating 100%, but for his team? there are no conflicts of interests.

[Lindax]

This is so stupid. I guess I would have to know what abuse is, I have maybe 3 or 4 times been able to take a turn within the first 18 hours but I wasnt sure on the move, but then I had to leave with only 6 hours remaining so I will text a clanmate what I was planning and to take the turn since I wont be back in 6 hours (maybe this is abuse to a select few anal retentives).

I must be one of the anal retentives, because I'm 100% sure that that is breaking the rules, i.e., abuse.

Apart from it being against the rules I find it morally wrong and cheating.

Lx

it's a TEAM GAME. clan game's interest is the ability to coordinate between all players involved an plan with drops attacks and forts agreeing with one another. it's not about playing your first thought that your teammates might not agree on with 23 hours left (well at least not if you aspire to do your best). I do think that it's not normal if it happens on a regular basis, but if it happens once in a while because of unplanned reasons, you are not going to let the turn be missed. How is having your teammate's back in case of unplanned absence cheating? You are not even in a clan, so how are problems between clans of your concern? you play a vast majority of standard games. Someone sitting a turn for another player in a standard game would be cheating 100%, but for his team? there are no conflicts of interests.

And how is what I think your concern?

I have been in 2 clans for most of my time on CC, but that has nothing to do with this. The rule Stupid broke is a site rule that exists for a long time already. Letting somebody else take your turn "because you're not sure how to play it" is cheating.

I don't care if it's a clan game or not and if it happens once, twice or 10 times, it's cheating. And cheating is against the rules, disgusting, distasteful, AND gives honest players a disadvantage.

If we wouldn't have this wide-spread cheating in the clan world, I may still have been interested in being part of it.

Lx

[betiko]

I agree that if no one gives you feedback or you know that you'll be sleeping by then well you have no other choice than taking it the way you intend to, it's your teammate's fault. But if something unplanned happens, then someone else playing a turn that is going to be missed is nothing even close to cheating. I think it is very poor sportsmanship to blame an opposing team for not letting a turn to be missed. That is the kind of mentallity that I find disgusting and distatesful.

[ahunda]

Lindax: I think, you are completely misreading Stus statement. He is not saying, that he didn´t know, what to do with a turn & so decided to leave it for someone else to take for him.

He is talking about a situation, where he is looking at a turn with several possible options, and then he says to himself: "Hmpf, I have plenty of time left, I´ll think about it for a while & take another look later." Maybe he also leaves some notes in Chat for his team with his first ideas for the turn. Only then something comes up in RL, his planned schedule is turned upside down, and he finds, that suddenly he does not have the time he was expecting to have. He has to leave in a hurry & so he messages a team-mate to please cover for him. Please note also, that Stu says, this kind of thing has happened to him 3-4 times in his entire time on CC.

What is so bloody terrible about this ? How is this abuse & cheating ? There is no rule, that says, you must take your turn as soon as you can. And a RL emergency can happen, when you have turns waiting on CC, that - in hindsight - you could have taken yourself, when you first looked at the game. Only it is the nature of the beast, that emergencies come unannounced, and you didn´t know. You thought, you had plenty of time to take a second look, think about it some more, wait for feedback from your team and then take the turn yourself.

The beauty of team games is to communicate & not just do, what you think. To listen to the ideas of your team-mates, discuss different options, plan your common strategy. So yeah, this results in some turns being waited out. To give team-mates a chance to look at the game too & give some input. Maybe those team-mates are on different time zones too, and so you have to wait a bit longer til they are actually up & around.

I mean, what is it, that you want ? Force everybody to then miss all their turns in situations like this ? How is that making CC a better place ? And what does all of this have to do with abuse or unfair advantages, when the other team has the right to do the very same thing & sit turns in emergency too ?

[Lindax]

Lindax: I think, you are completely misreading Stus statement. He is not saying, that he didn´t know, what to do with a turn & so decided to leave it for someone else to take for him.

He is talking about a situation, where he is looking at a turn with several possible options, and then he says to himself: "Hmpf, I have plenty of time left, I´ll think about it for a while & take another look later." Maybe he also leaves some notes in Chat for his team with his first ideas for the turn. Only then something comes up in RL, his planned schedule is turned upside down, and he finds, that suddenly he does not have the time he was expecting to have. He has to leave in a hurry & so he messages a team-mate to please cover for him. Please note also, that Stu says, this kind of thing has happened to him 3-4 times in his entire time on CC.

What is so bloody terrible about this ? How is this abuse & cheating ? There is no rule, that says, you must take your turn as soon as you can. And a RL emergency can happen, when you have turns waiting on CC, that - in hindsight - you could have taken yourself, when you first looked at the game. Only it is the nature of the beast, that emergencies come unannounced, and you didn´t know. You thought, you had plenty of time to take a second look, think about it some more, wait for feedback from your team and then take the turn yourself.

The beauty of team games is to communicate & not just do, what you think. To listen to the ideas of your team-mates, discuss different options, plan your common strategy. So yeah, this results in some turns being waited out. To give team-mates a chance to look at the game too & give some input. Maybe those team-mates are on different time zones too, and so you have to wait a bit longer til they are actually up & around.

I mean, what is it, that you want ? Force everybody to then miss all their turns in situations like this ? How is that making CC a better place ? And what does all of this have to do with abuse or unfair advantages, when the other team has the right to do the very same thing & sit turns in emergency too ?

Excuse me boys, but here is the quote from Stupid:

This is so stupid. I guess I would have to know what abuse is, I have maybe 3 or 4 times been able to take a turn within the first 18 hours but I wasnt sure on the move, but then I had to leave with only 6 hours remaining so I will text a clanmate what I was planning and to take the turn since I wont be back in 6 hours (maybe this is abuse to a select few anal retentives).

He had to leave with 6 hours remaining. Meaning he could have taken his turn then, but he didn't. He purposely left it for a clan mate to take. That is against the rules, no buts about it.

I totally agree with you (and betiko), that in emergencies one should be able to take a turn for a clan mate, team mate or just a cc buddy. But that was not what was going on here. He could have taken his turn, but didn't, because he wasn't sure of what move to make.

What I want? I'll tell you what I want: CC to enforce the rules and punish the cheaters. That's what I want. I'm not saying that Stupid should be burned at the stake. But he should be warned that what he described is against the rules and be warned not to do it again.

Lx

[Bones2484]

Lindax is 100% correct. That scenario by Stupid is against the rules and was exactly what has been punished by C&A in the past. Waiting for advice is not a reason to let someone else take your turn.

Feel free to read through this case for the exact verdict on this. You'll see that both the sitter and the sittee were punished: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=145859

Though to be fair (as Ahunda pointed out) it's possible that an emergency happened that caused you to not be able to come back. This seems to be allowed as long as it is not consistently happening. However, this is not what Stupid was saying.

[ahunda]

Hmm, on second reading maybe it was me misinterpreting Stu. Maybe he can clarify that himself ...

[TheMissionary]

I think every clan should have a directive for themselves. They must be presented to the CD team and reviewed for approval. If that directive is broken, the clan should receive a punishment.

[chapcrap]

I agree with Lindax on this.